|dev|null wrote on Dec 9^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

And now they don't. Because they reformed themselves.

Karnal wrote: Quote:


Christ said in Mathew 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Fulfill verb: to bring to a successful and favourable finish or completion;

Synonyms: cease, close, complete, conclusion, end, finale, finish, stop, terminate.

Synonym noun: Two words that can be interchanged in a context are said to be synonymous relative to that context

Gandalf wrote: Quote:


You are saying that a contradictory verse is proof the other muslim is wrong.

Well isis believe exactly the same thing, the verses they follow contradict your verses. Therefore you are wrong.

Which of you are right? I know that muslims who conduct jihad and hijrah are a grade higher than other muslims, so islamic doctrine is leaning towards them.

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Well we all know that fundamentalists take the commands of: torture and death for disbelievers, hypocrites and corrupters, commands of hate speech, commands of self alienation from society, commands of taqiyya and kitman, commands of hijrah and jihad, as crystal clear evidence your contradictions are wrong.

Two points are in their favour, 1/.they are emulating muhammad, 2/.the qur'an unambiguously states they are a higher grade of muslim than others.

I say again: You have not produced any verses / doctrine which absolutely extinguish the above evil in the qur'an.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

You've done this schtick already, Brain.

Where you go horribly wrong is that Kony is in charge of Nowheresville. 

The 'tiny minority' of fundamentalist Islamists, on the other hand, are in control of a number of countries and they are also in control of huge chunks of Islamic education in a number of other countries, Muslim or otherwise, including Australia.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 10^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:


no.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 10^th, 2014 at 9:13pm:


no.

The Quranic quote I provided for moses is as good as any:

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression."

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10^th, 2014 at 10:37pm:


This is the Islamic concept of innocence? No wonder the British Imam took such license with the term.

Is there even an Arabic word that translates to innocent?

Brian Ross wrote: Quote:


There's only two viewpoints as far as I'm concerned

First:

I accept Christian doctrine as it is written in the teachings of Christ.

I accept Christianity / Christians as defined by the teachings of Christ.

I accept that Christ extinguished parts of the O.T.

I accept (as per the teachings of Christ) that people who induce their own precepts, are rejected by Christ, therefore they are not Christians

I accept that you and other apologists always try and pervert the above teachings in order to apologize for islamic terrorism

I am very happy to let the doctrine of Christianity be the adjudicator of what constitutes Christians/ Christianity.

Second:
I hold the doctrine of islam Which promotes (torture and death for disbelievers, hypocrites and corrupters, hate speech, self alienation from society,  taqiyya and kitman, hijrah and jihad, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer) accountable for islamic terrorism.

Any muslim who accepts the above commands as infallible, perfect, can never be changed, also accept and are responsible for the terrorism, torture and mass murder they spawn.

As with Christianity, I am also very happy to let the doctrine of islam be the adjudicator of what constitutes islamic terrorism it's followers and supporters.