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Reply #16 - Nov 29^th, 2014 at 9:59pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 6:54pm:

Stick to the subject of the thread, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please provide references to reports of Muslims combating Islamic Radicalism.

I am not sure what Islamic radicalism is brian,is the death penalty for the crime of atheism considered Islamic radicalism or mainstream Islamic thought?
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In 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly espouse atheism or reject the offical state religion of Islam face execution under the law.
www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

Since the thread title is combating Islamic radicalism can you define and clarify what islamic radicalism is,does it include death for atheists or is that mainstream rather than radical thought?

Islamic radicalism is another name for the fomenting of and support for Islamism, Baron.

I am surprised that you've resorted to asking such a question, afterall, haven't you been railing against the concept now for several years? Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Nov 29^th, 2014 at 10:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 2:41pm:

A thread devoted to how Islamic radicalism is being combated by Muslims.

And how their efforts are undermined:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

What? An Islamophobic website? Yes, that would definitely undermine their efforts, Soren. Roll Eyes

Listing Islamic outrages is phobic now?

The website is, Soren.

I'm a Maoist? Yeah, sure. Roll Eyes

SO all the news stories it links to are not true?

And what the hell is Islamophobia? Can't you oppose a religion or an ideology? Can't you be an an antiIslamist, like you can be an antifascist or an anticommunists?

What is it about Islam that makes you insist that it must not be opposed and disliked? It is an ideology, not a genetic condition. You can join it, you can leave it. It is an ideology.
You can love it, you can hate it, you can sh!t it as a religion as you can sh!t all other religions. It is not special in any way. if anything, it is doing a lot of harm around the world.
It is not doing any good in the world.

Why do you have to like it or accommodate it, or tolerate it? Why can't you simply oppose it as you can oppose all other distasteful and destructive ideologies?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96377	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #18 - Nov 29^th, 2014 at 11:28pm Exactly. Why can’t one oppose the tinted races? Bearded numpties? Arabic? No one has the right to be offended, old boy, and all should be offended each and every day.
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brumbie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 994 Gender:	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #19 - Nov 29^th, 2014 at 11:32pm Wow ...I mean Brian has started this thread and Karnal is gee the last one to answer....why don't you guys get yourself a room?
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Reply #20 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 1:08am

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 10:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2014 at 2:41pm:

A thread devoted to how Islamic radicalism is being combated by Muslims.

And how their efforts are undermined:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

What? An Islamophobic website? Yes, that would definitely undermine their efforts, Soren. Roll Eyes

Listing Islamic outrages is phobic now?

The website is, Soren.

I'm a Maoist? Yeah, sure. Roll Eyes

SO all the news stories it links to are not true?

How does that answer my question about your claim that I'm a Maoist, Soren?

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And what the hell is Islamophobia?

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Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Islamic doctrine, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized.

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Can't you oppose a religion or an ideology? Can't you be an an antiIslamist, like you can be an antifascist or an anticommunists?

You could be, if you weren't such a zealot about it, Soren. It is all a question of degree, how vehement you are, and the fact that your attitudes are more akin to bigotry than mere opposition. You engage in religious persecution, not criticism. Roll Eyes

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What is it about Islam that makes you insist that it must not be opposed and disliked? It is an ideology, not a genetic condition. You can join it, you can leave it. It is an ideology.

There's that thatching again, Soren. Perhaps you'd care to quote me where I have said it can't be opposed, disliked or even criticised by you? Roll Eyes

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You can love it, you can hate it, you can sh!t it as a religion as you can sh!t all other religions. It is not special in any way. if anything, it is doing a lot of harm around the world.

I'd agree that some of it's adherents are, Soren but the religion itself is actually powerless. It is afterall, just a philosophy. It is it's more extreme believers whom cause the problems. You, however, make no effort to differentiate between moderates and extremists. Why? Does your bigotry blind you to their differences? Roll Eyes

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It is not doing any good in the world.

According to whom? You? Your opinion is rather biased, now isn't it? Roll Eyes

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Why do you have to like it or accommodate it, or tolerate it? Why can't you simply oppose it as you can oppose all other distasteful and destructive ideologies?

Perhaps because you need to remember John 8:7? Your intolerance of other religions merely reflects back on you. Why should they tolerate your views? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42269	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #21 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 1:11am brumbie wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 11:32pm: Wow ...I mean Brian has started this thread and Karnal is gee the last one to answer....why don't you guys get yourself a room? Who made you moderator?
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Reply #22 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 8:32am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 10:48pm:

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And what the hell is Islamophobia?

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Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Islamic doctrine, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized.

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You claim to be an academic brian and you use a source which academics reject.

The wiki islamophobia article was written by a muslim, the ex muslim Ali Sina from Iran refutes the slur and ad hominem Islamophobia here-
www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina60526.htm

Please cite where you thin Dr Ali Sina is wrong in his article brian Roll Eyes

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #23 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 8:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 6:54pm:

Stick to the subject of the thread, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please provide references to reports of Muslims combating Islamic Radicalism.

I am not sure what Islamic radicalism is brian,is the death penalty for the crime of atheism considered Islamic radicalism or mainstream Islamic thought?
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In 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly espouse atheism or reject the offical state religion of Islam face execution under the law.
www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

Since the thread title is combating Islamic radicalism can you define and clarify what islamic radicalism is,does it include death for atheists or is that mainstream rather than radical thought?

Islamic radicalism is another name for the fomenting of and support for Islamism, Baron.

I am surprised that you've resorted to asking such a question, afterall, haven't you been railing against the concept now for several years? Roll Eyes

So what is Islamism brian,does it have anything to do with Islam?

Is death for apostasy a radical or mainstream thought, can you clarify that for us.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #24 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 8:56am

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It is it's more extreme believers whom cause the problems.

In the west it is, because the moderates are sensible enough not to pick a fight they cannot win. Where Islam dominates, the moderates cause plenty of problems too. No-one is forcing these people to sell their children off to dirty old men. If it wasn't for the constitution Malaysia inherited, at least one of their states would have the death penalty for blasphemy, thanks to the wonders of democracy.

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Reply #25 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 7:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2014 at 6:54pm:

Stick to the subject of the thread, Baron. Roll Eyes

Please provide references to reports of Muslims combating Islamic Radicalism.

I am not sure what Islamic radicalism is brian,is the death penalty for the crime of atheism considered Islamic radicalism or mainstream Islamic thought?
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In 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly espouse atheism or reject the offical state religion of Islam face execution under the law.
www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

Since the thread title is combating Islamic radicalism can you define and clarify what islamic radicalism is,does it include death for atheists or is that mainstream rather than radical thought?

Islamic radicalism is another name for the fomenting of and support for Islamism, Baron.

I am surprised that you've resorted to asking such a question, afterall, haven't you been railing against the concept now for several years? Roll Eyes

So what is Islamism brian,does it have anything to do with Islam?

Is death for apostasy a radical or mainstream thought, can you clarify that for us.

Still waiting for you to clarify if death for apostasy is a radical or mainstream thought in Islam brian.

A good article by Tarek Fatah on the myth of deradicalizing Islamic radicals
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Relying on Islamic religious clerics and Islamists to fight radicalization is like employing a fox to guard the chicken coup.

The challenge i said is to prevent radicalization.
1. Lay hate speech charges against muslim clerics
2.Every mosque must be monitored for hate speech where the word Kuffar is invoked
3.Any mosque indulging in active politics must have its charitable status revoked
4.Donations of more than $20 must be made by cheque or credit card to avoid money laundering
www.meforum.org/4898/the-myth-of-de-radicalization-of-islamic-radicals

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Reply #26 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 4:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

Perhaps you'd care to quote me where I have said it can't be opposed, disliked or even criticised by you?

Right there in the same post, numty.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30^th, 2014 at 1:08am:

It is all a question of degree, how vehement you are, and the fact that your attitudes are more akin to bigotry than mere opposition. You engage in religious persecution, not criticism.

As with Communism or Fascism or Nazism., I am expected to find something good in islam, too?

SO I someone is completely opposed to something he is a bigot, by your reckoning.

And you wonder how you got the reputation of a spineless, stupid heresy-sniffing propagandist.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #27 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 5:17pm Brian has previously claimed that he has no right or even ability to criticise this sort of thing. I guess the closest he will allow himself to come is to champion foreign Muslims who do. That's not bigoted, is it Brian?
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Reply #28 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 5:32pm

Now, returning to the purpose of the thread and away from these silly Islamophobic distractions:

Pro-Israel Muslims seek alternative to radical Islam as a means for peace.

Education can inoculate young Muslims against radicalism

American Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Islam, Support NYPD

Muslims rally against radical Islam.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #29 - Nov 30^th, 2014 at 6:56pm Is Islamophobia distracting you from your struggle against Islamic radicalism Brian? You say I walk the line. F.cuk, they move it every time.
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