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Combating Islamic Radicalism
Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:41pm
 
A thread devoted to how Islamic radicalism is being combated by Muslims.

To start off, Slough, in the UK, where locals have started an anti-Radicals campaign themselves.   This could serve as quite a good pattern for other communities.

Jordan Plans Crackdown on Unauthorized Mosques to Combat Radical Islam

French imams, chaplains seek ways to combat Islamist radicalisation

The foot soldiers of deradicalisation.

Of course, the usual Islamophobes will declare all this as "taqiyya" by Muslims and that all those who oppose the radicals' interpretation of Islam must be apostates, yet isn't that the very message the radicals would like conveyed, so therefore, are the Islamophobes part of the problem, rather than the solution as they claim?    Roll Eyes
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Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism
Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2014 at 3:51pm
 
[url=http://online.wsj.com/articles/jordan-plans-crackdown-on-unauthori zed-mosques-to-combat-radical-islam-1411157776]extract from 1st link[/url]
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AMMAN—In a new push to combat radical Islam, Jordanian authorities are developing plans to crack down on the construction of thousands of unauthorized mosques and to place government-appointed preachers in their pulpits.

Of 8,600 mosques in U.S.-allied Jordan—most of them illegally built, 4,500 are led by preachers, or imams, who aren't appointed by the government, according to official figures.

Imams at legal mosques are...


So islam is a perverse belief which under self regulation creates anti social degenerates, in order to be acceptable to modern society islam has to have strict government surveillance and government appointed theological leaders?

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About 30 imams from southeastern France, meeting in Avignon on Wednesday, said action was urgently needed because about 300 young French Muslims are reported to have left their region to fight alongside jihadist forces in Syria.

Their meeting, which debated practical options such as surveillance cameras in mosques to spot jihadi recruiters and centrally written sermons for Friday prayers, will be followed by further sessions in other regions in the coming months.


Once again islam cannot self regulate in order to be relevant to the 21st century, surveillance and censored preaching is required.

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At dusk two local community workers trudge the streets of Waltham Forest looking for young people. But this is no ordinary youth outreach.

They are searching for those most at risk of becoming radicalised.

This part of north-east London has one of the biggest Muslim communities in the country and some radical preachers are based here.


islam creates people who have to be sought out and monitored before they commit attrocities.

What a legacy islam, allah, muhammad, and qur'an has left for muslims in the 21st century. being spied upon and suppressed doctrinal speech.

The real answer is clean up the doctrine of islam, not spies and censorship of speech.
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Reply #2 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 4:11pm
 
Q/. Why do muslims need spy cameras and suppressed / censored preachings in the mosques?

A/. Because unsupervised preaching of islamic doctrine leads to atrocities being committed in the name of islam and allah

Q/. Why don't they modernize their doctrine, get rid of the hate speech, terrorism, torture and mass murder?

A/.They can't:

qur'an 6:34: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.

qur'an 10:64: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.

So islam is doomed to oblivion, it is an outdated evil doctrine, totally unfit for modern civilized society. 
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Reply #3 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:14pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:41pm:
A thread devoted to how Islamic radicalism is being combated by Muslims.



And how their efforts are undermined:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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Reply #4 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:51pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:41pm:
A thread devoted to how Islamic radicalism is being combated by Muslims.



And how their efforts are undermined:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


What?  An Islamophobic website?  Yes, that would definitely undermine their efforts, Soren.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 9:26pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:51pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:41pm:
A thread devoted to how Islamic radicalism is being combated by Muslims.



And how their efforts are undermined:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


What?  An Islamophobic website?  Yes, that would definitely undermine their efforts, Soren.    Roll Eyes

Listing Islamic outrages is phobic now?

You are a Maoist, dicko, to a much greater extent than I thought you'd admit to.  Criticism is now PHOBIA!!! 

So much for exchange of ideas and debate.


Brain, you are a f Vcken disgrace to Western notions of free and open debate. You are more of a fascists and an oppressor than anything else.

You want ideas shut down, suppressed, outlawed. You are a heresy-sniffing fascist.

Carry on. You know you will. You will not be shamed.






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Reply #6 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 10:04pm
 
Do we have a right to combat something we are not even able to criticise?

freediver wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 6:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...



I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


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Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism
Reply #7 - Nov 28th, 2014 at 10:36pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2014 at 9:26pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:51pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 28th, 2014 at 6:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:41pm:
A thread devoted to how Islamic radicalism is being combated by Muslims.



And how their efforts are undermined:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/


What?  An Islamophobic website?  Yes, that would definitely undermine their efforts, Soren.    Roll Eyes

Listing Islamic outrages is phobic now?


The website is, Soren.

I'm a Maoist?  Yeah, sure.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 6:22pm
 

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At least 120 dead in Nigeria mosque attack

At least 120 people have been killed and 270 others wounded in a bomb and gun attack at the mosque of one of Nigeria's top Islamic leaders.

The attack at the Grand Mosque in Kano, the biggest city in the mainly Muslim north of the country, came just as Friday prayers had started.

The mosque is attached to the palace of the Emir of Kano Muhammad Sanusi II, Nigeria's second most senior Muslim cleric, who last week urged civilians to take up arms against Boko Haram.

The blasts came after a bomb attack was foiled against a mosque in the northeastern city of Maiduguri earlier on Friday, five days after two female suicide bombers killed over 45 people in the city.

National police spokesman Emmanuel Ojukwu said the bombers blew themselves up in quick succession then "gunmen opened fire on those who were trying to escape".Ojukwu said he did not know whether the suicide bombers were male or female, after a spate of attacks by women in recent months, and did not give an exact figure on the number of gunmen.

But he said an angry mob killed four of the shooters in the chaotic aftermath. Witnesses in the city said they were set on fire.An AFP reporter at the Murtala Mohammed Specialist Hospital morgue counted 92 bodies, most of them men and boys with blast injuries and severe burns.

As night fell, hundreds of people were desperately trying to use the lights on their mobile phones to identify loved ones.But a senior rescue official said later that there were at least 120 dead and 270 wounded.

Emergency workers were still trying to visit all hospitals, he added.

The Emir of Kano last week told worshippers at the same mosque that northerners should take up arms against Boko Haram, which has been fighting for a hardline Islamic state since 2009.Boko Haram have a record of attacking prominent clerics.

In July 2012 a suicide bomber killed five people leaving Friday prayers at the home of the Shehu of Borno in Maiduguri.

Boko Haram attacks in recent months have ranged from the far northeast of Nigeria, across the wider north and northwest, using hit-and-run tactics, suicide bombings and car bombs.

Authorities in Cameroon, Chad and Niger have all expressed concern about Boko Haram's ability to conduct cross-border strikes, particularly as the dry season approaches. -

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I still reckon spy cameras in mosques and censorship of imam's prayers will achieve nothing.

Critical analysis of the qur'an is forbidden, therefore while ever islam exists, islamic terrorism will run rampant, as allah commanded.
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Reply #9 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 6:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 22nd, 2014 at 2:41pm:
A thread devoted to how Islamic radicalism is being combated by Muslims.


Please define islamic radicalism brian,is anything profit mo did considered Islamic radicalism?

With the term Islamic radicalism does that imply islam is the source of this radicalism and it is propagated by muslims?

Our government spends a lot of money on programs for immigrants-
www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/Counteringviolentextremism/Documents/bcr-grants-2...
Perhaps if we were more selective on who we let in we wouldn't have to spend money trying to get them to fit in.
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Reply #10 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 6:54pm
 
Stick to the subject of the thread, Baron.   Roll Eyes

Please provide references to reports of Muslims combating Islamic Radicalism.
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Reply #11 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 6:59pm
 
Gandalf once suggested that Muhammed's order to execute gay people (both the giver and the taker) is not in fact an order to kill gay people, unless of course they are acting like the citizens of Lot.

Does that count?
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Reply #12 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 7:01pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2014 at 6:54pm:
Stick to the subject of the thread, Baron.   Roll Eyes

Please provide references to reports of Muslims combating Islamic Radicalism.   


That rules out the Kurds, then. They didn’t declare war on Uncle, so they’re not Muselmen.
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Reply #14 - Nov 29th, 2014 at 7:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2014 at 6:54pm:
Stick to the subject of the thread, Baron.   Roll Eyes

Please provide references to reports of Muslims combating Islamic Radicalism.   


I am not sure what Islamic radicalism is brian,is the death penalty for the crime of atheism considered Islamic radicalism or mainstream Islamic thought?
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In 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly espouse atheism or reject the offical state religion of Islam face execution under the law.
www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210



Since the thread title is combating Islamic radicalism can you define and clarify what islamic radicalism is,does it include death for atheists or is that mainstream rather than radical thought?
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