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Reply #75 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 5:01pm

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moses wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 5:49pm:

The ancient Law has been refuted as you well know. There are still parts of the O.T. relevant today. The law is not.

What about the lore? Isn't Christian doctrine based upon the examples contained in the Bible (in total) rather than just the stated "laws"? Grin

Bump! Moses? Grin

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #76 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 4:58pm Christian doctrine is based on the doctrine / teachings of Christ.
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Reply #77 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 5:21pm

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Moses, you’ve just stated exactly the same argument with exactly the same hunches in exactly the same order as your previous post - with one addition:

You firmly believe it.

This is all well and good, but you can hardly go around condemning others who don’t firmly believe your own unproven ideas. If you want others to believe it, you need to make some sense. You need to persuade, rather than repeating the same line over and over again.

This is the Yadda technique, and it has never worked. Most don’t even bother to read it.

I’m.sure there are plenty of interesting reasons why Jews are not carrying out the laws of Leviticus as we speak. But there are also reasons why Muslims are not living a 7th century Meccan lifestyle.

There is no proof of higher IQ scores in one religion or another, but it wouldn’t matter if there was. IQ measures abstract reasoning, and a person’s IQ score can rise and fall over a lifetime.IQ also changes vastly over generations as education and technological development occurs. Agrarian people tend to have lower IQs than urban professional people, simply because farm.workers don’t develop skills in visual and conceptual analysis. They don’t need these skills.

Inbreeding is not prevelant in Muslim communities any more than it is in Hindu or Christian communities. Regardless of this, inbreeding has no effect on the violent, backward phenomenon you’re describing. The most inbred communities in the world are generally the rich and powerful. The European aristocracy survives to this day. Many royals suffered from haemophilia and other disorders due to inbreeding.

Back to the drawing board, Moses. If you want others to believe that Islam is more evil than any other religion, you really need to show how. It’s not enough to just keep repeating the same thing, over and over again.

Rather than telling me you really believe this, tell me why. If you can’t do this, how can I possibly believe your argument?

I don't really expect you to believe anything Karnal. You do your own thing I'll do mine, only time can prove who is right or wrong.

I have a few varied opinions on why Jews are superior to muslims in the societal ladder of the 21st century, multiple sources of doctrine (48 prophets 7 prophetesses) higher I.Q., they don't inbreed to the extent that muslims do, therefore have less mental and physical health problems per capita, etc.

I know that muslims who commit atrocities do so because of their islamic doctrine.

I know that muhammad (thief, liar, pedophiles, rapist, terrorist, torturer and mass murderer) is the sole source of islamic doctrine.

Having read the qur'an I know he preached that every one of the atrocities he committed was sanctified as an infallible, perfect, never to be changed islamic duty.

Therefore while ever islam exists islamic terrorism, torture and mass murder will prevail.

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Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism
Reply #78 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:07pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 4:36pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Yep. Abortion clinics firebombed, abortion clinic nurses and doctors assassinated. LGT people murdered. Non-whites murdered.

Non whites murdered,a vague statement hurling blame, must be a leftist.

So when an Islamophobe hurls a vague comment about how "Muslims chop heads off" or "Muslims are all Terrorists", they're really being Leftist? Shocked

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So how many abortion clinic nurses and doctors have been assassinated in the USA and Australia, can you count the deaths of doctors and nurses on one hand?

Are we talking about principles or numbers? Amazing how often Islamophobes will suddenly try and diminish the crimes of Christians by saying, "Oh, it's only a tiny minority!" or, "How many have been killed?" They don't allow that line of argument for Muslims why should we accept it for Christians? Grin

I started threads comparing Islam to both Christianity and Judaism after a few empty-headed remarks by Brian et al. The Muslims and their apologists couldn't get away fast enough, especially the Christianity one. Yet they still trot out the same comparisons in order to change the subject at every opportunity.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42312	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #79 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:24pm moses wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 4:58pm: Christian doctrine is based on the doctrine / teachings of Christ. Yet Christians preach from The Old Testament, Moses.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #80 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:25pm freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:07pm: I started threads comparing Islam to both Christianity and Judaism after a few empty-headed remarks by Brian et al. The Muslims and their apologists couldn't get away fast enough Can you please link to these threads?
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Reply #81 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm

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Inbreeding is not prevelant in Muslim communities any more than it is in Hindu or Christian communities. Regardless of this, inbreeding has no effect on the violent, backward phenomenon you’re describing. The most inbred communities in the world are generally the rich and powerful. The European aristocracy survives to this day. Many royals suffered from haemophilia and other disorders due to inbreeding.

So the Royal family, who don't actually engage in inbreeding any more, are evidence that inbred communities are generally the rich and powerful?

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Reply #82 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:44pm

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

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Inbreeding is not prevelant in Muslim communities any more than it is in Hindu or Christian communities. Regardless of this, inbreeding has no effect on the violent, backward phenomenon you’re describing. The most inbred communities in the world are generally the rich and powerful. The European aristocracy survives to this day. Many royals suffered from haemophilia and other disorders due to inbreeding.

So the Royal family, who don't actually engage in inbreeding any more, are evidence that inbred communities are generally the rich and powerful?

The inbreeding of the European Royal Houses (it wasn't just confined to the UK's house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), was infamous and produced haemophilia. The Hapsburgs, among whom mandibular prognathism was a family trait a noticeable deformation of the lower lip, known commonly as the "Hapsburg lip" . This inbreeding continued into the mid-20th century and is only now being changed. Roll Eyes

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Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism
Reply #83 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 5:14pm

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Yet Christians preach from The Old Testament, Moses

Are you dishonestly implying that the O.T. is adhered to in it's entirety?

Why are you afraid to say that Christians preach from certain parts of The Old Testament Brian?

Oh that's right you have to be dishonourable in order to apologize for islamic text which consecrates human rights atrocities as the higher path for muslims.

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Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism
Reply #84 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 6:50pm

moses wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

karnal wrote: Quote:

Moses, you’ve just stated exactly the same argument with exactly the same hunches in exactly the same order as your previous post - with one addition:

You firmly believe it.

This is all well and good, but you can hardly go around condemning others who don’t firmly believe your own unproven ideas. If you want others to believe it, you need to make some sense. You need to persuade, rather than repeating the same line over and over again.

This is the Yadda technique, and it has never worked. Most don’t even bother to read it.

I’m.sure there are plenty of interesting reasons why Jews are not carrying out the laws of Leviticus as we speak. But there are also reasons why Muslims are not living a 7th century Meccan lifestyle.

There is no proof of higher IQ scores in one religion or another, but it wouldn’t matter if there was. IQ measures abstract reasoning, and a person’s IQ score can rise and fall over a lifetime.IQ also changes vastly over generations as education and technological development occurs. Agrarian people tend to have lower IQs than urban professional people, simply because farm.workers don’t develop skills in visual and conceptual analysis. They don’t need these skills.

Inbreeding is not prevelant in Muslim communities any more than it is in Hindu or Christian communities. Regardless of this, inbreeding has no effect on the violent, backward phenomenon you’re describing. The most inbred communities in the world are generally the rich and powerful. The European aristocracy survives to this day. Many royals suffered from haemophilia and other disorders due to inbreeding.

Back to the drawing board, Moses. If you want others to believe that Islam is more evil than any other religion, you really need to show how. It’s not enough to just keep repeating the same thing, over and over again.

Rather than telling me you really believe this, tell me why. If you can’t do this, how can I possibly believe your argument?

I don't really expect you to believe anything Karnal. You do your own thing I'll do mine, only time can prove who is right or wrong.

I have a few varied opinions on why Jews are superior to muslims in the societal ladder of the 21st century, multiple sources of doctrine (48 prophets 7 prophetesses) higher I.Q., they don't inbreed to the extent that muslims do, therefore have less mental and physical health problems per capita, etc.

I know that muslims who commit atrocities do so because of their islamic doctrine.

I know that muhammad (thief, liar, pedophiles, rapist, terrorist, torturer and mass murderer) is the sole source of islamic doctrine.

Having read the qur'an I know he preached that every one of the atrocities he committed was sanctified as an infallible, perfect, never to be changed islamic duty.

Therefore while ever islam exists islamic terrorism, torture and mass murder will prevail.

This is the third time in a row where you’ve posted exactly the same thing.

Only this time, you’ve whittled down your "firmly believe" to "only time will tell who is right or wrong".

You don’t want me to believe? Why would anyone spend their time outlining an argument they didn’t want their readers to believe?

Every time you post here, Moses, you want people to believe. You present an argument to persuade. We all do. If you didn’t have this intention, you’d post inane krap, such as:

Stop the boats.

SHAME LABOR SHAME.

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

Shurely shome mishtake.

Miam miam.

Or, one of my favourites:

Sometimes a question is just a question.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96434	Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism Reply #85 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 6:56pm moses wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 4:58pm: Christian doctrine is based on the doctrine / teachings of Christ. It might be based on the teachings of Christ, but Christian doctrine is the creation of St Paul.
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Re: Combating Islamic Radicalism
Reply #86 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

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Inbreeding is not prevelant in Muslim communities any more than it is in Hindu or Christian communities. Regardless of this, inbreeding has no effect on the violent, backward phenomenon you’re describing. The most inbred communities in the world are generally the rich and powerful. The European aristocracy survives to this day. Many royals suffered from haemophilia and other disorders due to inbreeding.

So the Royal family, who don't actually engage in inbreeding any more, are evidence that inbred communities are generally the rich and powerful?

Of course. The rich and powerful.always interbreed. This is how they they keep their wealth and power in the family.

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Reply #87 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:16pm

moses wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 5:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote:
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Yet Christians preach from The Old Testament, Moses

Are you dishonestly implying that the O.T. is adhered to in it's entirety?

No. Are you claiming that Christians don't refer to The Old Testament at all and have totally abandoned it's teachings?

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Why are you afraid to say that Christians preach from certain parts of The Old Testament Brian?

Why do you believe I'm afraid to say it?

Why are you afraid to even admit that they do preach from any parts of The Old Testament, Moses?

Even more alarming is your obvious unwillingness to admit that some Christians follow the teachings of The Old Testament and use it to justify their actions.

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Oh that's right you have to be dishonourable in order to apologize for islamic text which consecrates human rights atrocities as the higher path for muslims.

How is it "dishonourable" to mention that Christians draw upon The Old Testament for their faith, Moses?

You seem to want to disown completely The Old Testament. You keep claiming that it has been superseded. Yet, in this post, for the first time you're admitting that Christians do draw upon it for preaching. Funny how it's taken this long to get that admission out of you, Moses. Roll Eyes

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Reply #88 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:36pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

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Inbreeding is not prevelant in Muslim communities any more than it is in Hindu or Christian communities. Regardless of this, inbreeding has no effect on the violent, backward phenomenon you’re describing. The most inbred communities in the world are generally the rich and powerful. The European aristocracy survives to this day. Many royals suffered from haemophilia and other disorders due to inbreeding.

So the Royal family, who don't actually engage in inbreeding any more, are evidence that inbred communities are generally the rich and powerful?

Of course. The rich and powerful.always interbreed. This is how they they keep their wealth and power in the family.

Where do you get this from? Days of our Lives? Is marrying a rich person the same as marrying your sister Karnal? Have you ever been dumped for not being rich enough?

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Reply #89 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

freediver wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

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Inbreeding is not prevelant in Muslim communities any more than it is in Hindu or Christian communities. Regardless of this, inbreeding has no effect on the violent, backward phenomenon you’re describing. The most inbred communities in the world are generally the rich and powerful. The European aristocracy survives to this day. Many royals suffered from haemophilia and other disorders due to inbreeding.

So the Royal family, who don't actually engage in inbreeding any more, are evidence that inbred communities are generally the rich and powerful?

Of course. The rich and powerful.always interbreed. This is how they they keep their wealth and power in the family.

Where do you get this from? Days of our Lives? Is marrying a rich person the same as marrying your sister Karnal? Have you ever been dumped for not being rich enough?

Come come, I’m from a rich, inbred family of grinners from Lahore.

Where did you get your Diaspora idea from, FD? I’m curious.

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