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Reply #105 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 4:01pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

The Indonesians are a signatory to the Cairo declaration on human rights like the other OIC members.
Articles 23-24 show sharia law trumps human rights, the CDHR is the biggest load of garbage i have ever read.

I see. So we've gone from insisting people can only be muslim if they speak arabic, to now being signatories to the Cairo declaration.

Lets see, so far Baron has said:

1. Kurds are not muslim because they are "good people"
2. Kurds cannot be muslim because they don't speak arabic and have a nice secular constitution
3. Not all Kurds are muslim (yes, apparently Kurds really are muslim now - sometimes at least)
4. Indonesians are definitely muslim though - even though this requires a complete contradiction of 2.
5. Actually, scratch number 2. altogether - speaking arabic has nothing to do with it - its all about being a signatory to the vile Cairo Declaration

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #106 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

The Indonesians are a signatory to the Cairo declaration on human rights like the other OIC members.
Articles 23-24 show sharia law trumps human rights, the CDHR is the biggest load of garbage i have ever read.

I see. So we've gone from insisting people can only be muslim if they speak arabic, to now being signatories to the Cairo declaration.

Lets see, so far Baron has said:

1. Kurds are not muslim because they are "good people"
2. Kurds cannot be muslim because they don't speak arabic and have a nice secular constitution
3. Not all Kurds are muslim (yes, apparently Kurds really are muslim now - sometimes at least)
4. Indonesians are definitely muslim though - even though this requires a complete contradiction of 2.
5. Actually, scratch number 2. altogether - speaking arabic has nothing to do with it - its all about being a signatory to the vile Cairo Declaration

The Kurds are hated by all their muslim neighbors,every single one of them persecutes them even so called moderate turkey

Gandalf what does sunni islam say about atheists, how many Islamic countries have the death penalty for atheism is it 14 with the Islamic state?

When did sunni muslims and Islam start listening to and respecting atheists gandalf, have porcine animals become aerodynamic, do you expect a rational person to believe muslims respect atheists when they are the only people who execute them?

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Why is the world ignoring the revolutionary kurds in syria

(look Kurds holding pics of that atheist Ocalan )

The autonomous region of Rojava,as it exists today, is one of the few bright spots-albeit a very bright one, to emerge from Syria.
Having driven out agents of the Assad regime in 2011,and despite the hostility of almost all of it's neighbors,Rojava has not only maintained independence ,but is a remarkable democratic experiment.

Even mentions the PKK and Ocalan a few times,,nah it must be muslims according to muslims and their apologists.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/08/why-world-ignoring-revolutionary-k...

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The PKK, together with the YPG is the backbone of the resistance to the Islamic state gangs.
links.org.au/node/4090

Nice articles Gandalf, not many hijabs or signs of Islam with those kurds, they do mention the PKK and that atheist who brian claims is muslim?

The Rojava revolution had nothing to do with Islam or muslims, the Kurds give credit to the atheist Ocalan.

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #107 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

Baron, I'm not going to bother any more. You're just an Islamophobe bigot who's gotten carried away with hyperbole. You can't admit you're wrong, despite all the evidence that has been gathered up against your claim that the majority of Kurds aren't Muslim.

The Kurds praise that atheist Ocalan and the PKK for the Rojava revolution.

Since when did Islam respect atheism,14 Islamic countries have the death penalty for atheists.

You are the one who claimed Ocalan is muslim Roll Eyes

, that is a way of boosting muslim numbers Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #108 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 9:16pm

Gandalf,Brian,HB- We know it is halal to sell non muslims into slavery ,is it halal or haram for a muslim to sell another muslim into slavery?

Price list for slave women sold in the Islamic state, the only place on the planet where slavery made a comeback and is legal-
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A Yazidi or christian woman,aged 40-50 years =USD $43
A Yazidi or christian woman aged 30-40 years =$75
A Yazidi or christian woman aged 20-30 years = $86
A Yazidi or christian woman aged 10-20 years = $130
A Yazidi or christian woman aged 1 to 9 years = $172.
No Yazidi or christian male slaves for sale, they get their heads chopped off.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/islamic-state-publishes-yazidi-a...

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96483	Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10 Reply #109 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 9:40pm Back in Nam we got a slave woman for five US dollars. She loved you for about five minutes, but she could suck the pain out of a man scarred by war. It took longer if you were drunk.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18774 Gender:	Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10 Reply #110 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 9:48pm Afghan female soldiers Iranian female warriors, the ninja mask is way cooler than a niqab. Are they wearing a hijab by choice or is it mandatory in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #111 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:27pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 9:16pm:

Gandalf,Brian,HB- We know it is halal to sell non muslims into slavery ,is it halal or haram for a muslim to sell another muslim into slavery?

Price list for slave women sold in the Islamic state, the only place on the planet where slavery made a comeback and is legal-
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A Yazidi or christian woman,aged 40-50 years =USD $43
A Yazidi or christian woman aged 30-40 years =$75
A Yazidi or christian woman aged 20-30 years = $86
A Yazidi or christian woman aged 10-20 years = $130
A Yazidi or christian woman aged 1 to 9 years = $172.
No Yazidi or christian male slaves for sale, they get their heads chopped off.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/islamic-state-publishes-yazidi-a...

Doesn't that price list contradict the title of the thread?

Such contradictions, such inconsistencies... Roll Eyes

Baron, were you aware that The Bible advocates slavery?

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #112 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:27pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

The Kurds are hated by all their muslim neighbors,every single one of them persecutes them even so called moderate turkey

I get the thrust of your point Baron, but it was monumentally stupid to launch into this conversation by claiming the Kurds are not muslim - using the sort of logic that even a 5 year old could see the flaws in.

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #113 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:30pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

The Indonesians are a signatory to the Cairo declaration on human rights like the other OIC members.
Articles 23-24 show sharia law trumps human rights, the CDHR is the biggest load of garbage i have ever read.

I see. So we've gone from insisting people can only be muslim if they speak arabic, to now being signatories to the Cairo declaration.

Lets see, so far Baron has said:

1. Kurds are not muslim because they are "good people"
2. Kurds cannot be muslim because they don't speak arabic and have a nice secular constitution
3. Not all Kurds are muslim (yes, apparently Kurds really are muslim now - sometimes at least)
4. Indonesians are definitely muslim though - even though this requires a complete contradiction of 2.
5. Actually, scratch number 2. altogether - speaking arabic has nothing to do with it - its all about being a signatory to the vile Cairo Declaration

The Kurds are hated by all their muslim neighbors,every single one of them persecutes them even so called moderate turkey

And, Baron, is that because of religious or because of cultural and political differences? Roll Eyes

Still haven't seen you present any evidence that proves the majority of Kurds are not Muslims. Perhaps because there isn't any and you were being foolish when you made the ridiculous claim? Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #114 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

The Indonesians are a signatory to the Cairo declaration on human rights like the other OIC members.
Articles 23-24 show sharia law trumps human rights, the CDHR is the biggest load of garbage i have ever read.

I see. So we've gone from insisting people can only be muslim if they speak arabic, to now being signatories to the Cairo declaration.

Lets see, so far Baron has said:

1. Kurds are not muslim because they are "good people"
2. Kurds cannot be muslim because they don't speak arabic and have a nice secular constitution
3. Not all Kurds are muslim (yes, apparently Kurds really are muslim now - sometimes at least)
4. Indonesians are definitely muslim though - even though this requires a complete contradiction of 2.
5. Actually, scratch number 2. altogether - speaking arabic has nothing to do with it - its all about being a signatory to the vile Cairo Declaration

The Kurds are hated by all their muslim neighbors,every single one of them persecutes them even so called moderate turkey

And, Baron, is that because of religious or because of cultural and political differences? Roll Eyes

Still haven't seen you present any evidence that proves the majority of Kurds are not Muslims. Perhaps because there isn't any and you were being foolish when you made the ridiculous claim? Roll Eyes

The PKK was marxist before it evolved into secular democracy with true freedom,what does Islam say about atheists brian, do 14 Islamic countries have the death penalty for atheists?
Is a cultural difference acceptance of atheism and those devil worshipping Yazidi which is something Islam does not tolerate?

Your so called evidence says the yazidi are a tiny minority who happen to outnumber the shia according to your sources.

I told you why you cannot get reliable numbers on the kurds here, were you not paying attention?
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1416885011/101#101

What does Islam say about atheists brian?

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #115 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

The Kurds are hated by all their muslim neighbors,every single one of them persecutes them even so called moderate turkey

I get the thrust of your point Baron, but it was monumentally stupid to launch into this conversation by claiming the Kurds are not muslim - using the sort of logic that even a 5 year old could see the flaws in.

I would put the muslims in the minority category with Kurds.

What role did Islam play in this Rojava revolution gandalf,did they outlaw some Islamic practices with women resulting in butthurt imams complaing about giving women rights?

Would there be more christians in Kurdistan than any other part of the middle east at present,is Kurdistan the only place where there are Yazidis?

Of course the Kurds are the only people in that area who respect atheists.

Can you cite any examples of sunni or shia or maybe Salafi muslims ever praising atheists and post them here.

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #116 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 11:05pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

The Indonesians are a signatory to the Cairo declaration on human rights like the other OIC members.
Articles 23-24 show sharia law trumps human rights, the CDHR is the biggest load of garbage i have ever read.

I see. So we've gone from insisting people can only be muslim if they speak arabic, to now being signatories to the Cairo declaration.

Lets see, so far Baron has said:

1. Kurds are not muslim because they are "good people"
2. Kurds cannot be muslim because they don't speak arabic and have a nice secular constitution
3. Not all Kurds are muslim (yes, apparently Kurds really are muslim now - sometimes at least)
4. Indonesians are definitely muslim though - even though this requires a complete contradiction of 2.
5. Actually, scratch number 2. altogether - speaking arabic has nothing to do with it - its all about being a signatory to the vile Cairo Declaration

The Kurds are hated by all their muslim neighbors,every single one of them persecutes them even so called moderate turkey

And, Baron, is that because of religious or because of cultural and political differences? Roll Eyes

Still haven't seen you present any evidence that proves the majority of Kurds are not Muslims. Perhaps because there isn't any and you were being foolish when you made the ridiculous claim? Roll Eyes

The PKK was marxist before it evolved into secular democracy with true freedom,what does Islam say about atheists brian, do 14 Islamic countries have the death penalty for atheists?

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In the late 1980s and early 1990s, in an effort to win increased support from the Kurdish peasantry, the PKK altered its leftist secular ideology to better accommodate and accept Islamic beliefs.

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Recent comments from the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Öcalan puzzled groups that have long been allied with his party. In a letter that was read out to crowds gathered for the Kurdish New Year in Diyarbakır a few weeks ago, Öcalan emphasized the role of Islam as forming a strong bond between Kurds and Turks: “Turkish people who know ancient Anatolia as Turkey should know that their coexistence with Kurdish people dates back to a historical agreement of fraternity and solidarity under the flag of Islam.”

Originally founded as a Marxist organization in 1978, the PKK had to revise its ideology in the early 1990s. Like many other Marxist–Leninist organizations in the world, the PKK lost its main source of ideological legitimacy when the Soviet bloc disintegrated and capitalism appeared to have won an absolute victory. Furthermore, Öcalan, as well as others within the PKK leadership, gradually came to the conclusion that Islam was too important for a Kurdish party to ignore, given that many Kurds are devout Muslims.

This shift did not mean that the PKK dropped its secular, progressive discourse, which continued to generate sympathy among Turkish leftist organizations as well as some Western Left and liberal Left academic circles. Rather, it reconciled its secular-nationalist ideology with Islam, hailed as a revolutionary idea by Öcalan in his various writings and speeches.

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In the late 1980s, the PKK had difficulty mobilising support from the Kurdish
community, in which religious sentiment is strong, and began to adopt Sunni Islamic beliefs.

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Oh, dear, it looks like the Baron has gotten the wrong end of the stick again. The PKK has been flirting with Islam now for over 30 years and he still hasn't caught up... Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #117 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 11:36pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

The Indonesians are a signatory to the Cairo declaration on human rights like the other OIC members.
Articles 23-24 show sharia law trumps human rights, the CDHR is the biggest load of garbage i have ever read.

I see. So we've gone from insisting people can only be muslim if they speak arabic, to now being signatories to the Cairo declaration.

Lets see, so far Baron has said:

1. Kurds are not muslim because they are "good people"
2. Kurds cannot be muslim because they don't speak arabic and have a nice secular constitution
3. Not all Kurds are muslim (yes, apparently Kurds really are muslim now - sometimes at least)
4. Indonesians are definitely muslim though - even though this requires a complete contradiction of 2.
5. Actually, scratch number 2. altogether - speaking arabic has nothing to do with it - its all about being a signatory to the vile Cairo Declaration

The Kurds are hated by all their muslim neighbors,every single one of them persecutes them even so called moderate turkey

And, Baron, is that because of religious or because of cultural and political differences? Roll Eyes

Still haven't seen you present any evidence that proves the majority of Kurds are not Muslims. Perhaps because there isn't any and you were being foolish when you made the ridiculous claim? Roll Eyes

The PKK was marxist before it evolved into secular democracy with true freedom,what does Islam say about atheists brian, do 14 Islamic countries have the death penalty for atheists?
Is a cultural difference acceptance of atheism and those devil worshipping Yazidi which is something Islam does not tolerate?

Your so called evidence says the yazidi are a tiny minority who happen to outnumber the shia according to your sources.

I told you why you cannot get reliable numbers on the kurds here, were you not paying attention?
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1416885011/101#101

Why are you avoiding this question brian, please answer it

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42360	Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10 Reply #118 - Dec 1^st, 2014 at 11:38pm Baron, I'm not avoiding it. I don't see the point of it. You're assuming that Islam is monolithic. Why?
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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #119 - Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 12:01am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 11:05pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 1^st, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

The Indonesians are a signatory to the Cairo declaration on human rights like the other OIC members.
Articles 23-24 show sharia law trumps human rights, the CDHR is the biggest load of garbage i have ever read.

I see. So we've gone from insisting people can only be muslim if they speak arabic, to now being signatories to the Cairo declaration.

Lets see, so far Baron has said:

1. Kurds are not muslim because they are "good people"
2. Kurds cannot be muslim because they don't speak arabic and have a nice secular constitution
3. Not all Kurds are muslim (yes, apparently Kurds really are muslim now - sometimes at least)
4. Indonesians are definitely muslim though - even though this requires a complete contradiction of 2.
5. Actually, scratch number 2. altogether - speaking arabic has nothing to do with it - its all about being a signatory to the vile Cairo Declaration

The Kurds are hated by all their muslim neighbors,every single one of them persecutes them even so called moderate turkey

And, Baron, is that because of religious or because of cultural and political differences? Roll Eyes

Still haven't seen you present any evidence that proves the majority of Kurds are not Muslims. Perhaps because there isn't any and you were being foolish when you made the ridiculous claim? Roll Eyes

The PKK was marxist before it evolved into secular democracy with true freedom,what does Islam say about atheists brian, do 14 Islamic countries have the death penalty for atheists?

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the PKK altered its leftist secular ideology to better accommodate and accept Islamic beliefs.

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Recent comments from the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Öcalan puzzled groups that have long been allied with his party. In a letter that was read out to crowds gathered for the Kurdish New Year in Diyarbakır a few weeks ago, Öcalan emphasized the role of Islam as forming a strong bond between Kurds and Turks: “Turkish people who know ancient Anatolia as Turkey should know that their coexistence with Kurdish people dates back to a historical agreement of fraternity and solidarity under the flag of Islam.”

This shift did not mean that the PKK dropped its secular, progressive discourse

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Oh, dear, it looks like the Baron has gotten the wrong end of the stick again. The PKK has been flirting with Islam now for over 30 years and he still hasn't caught up... Roll Eyes

How old are your links brian fair dinkum i should post something saying australia is mostly abo.

Working the room is a term you might hear near politicans,it's done to get support,Ocalan is a politican.
The PKK have done nothing to accomodate Islam, the constitution of the rojava cantons throws political islam into the garbage.

You are doing the muslim thing in selective quoting,did you read the actual transcript or cherry pick what someone wrote about it.
Transcript of what Ocalan actually said-
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To the people of Turkey
Turkish people who know ancient anatolia as Turkey should know that their co existence with the Kurdish people dates back to a historical agreement of fraternity and solidarity under tha flag of Islam.

In the real sense, this spirit of solidarity does not and must not contain conquest,denial,forced assimilation and annihilation.

The politics of oppression,annihilation and assimilation represent the effort of an isolated elitist government that deny existing history and fraternity agreement.
...........
www.euronews.com/2013/03/22/web-full-transcript-of-abdullah-ocalans-ceasefire-ca...

The Turks have tried to conquer the Kurds even back in the Ottoman days, the Turks have destroyed thousands of Kurdish villages, even bombed them after Ocalan's ceasefire, the Turks denied the Kurds their language and pretended they did not exist, does one of your links say the Kurds are really mountain turks who forgot they were turks Roll Eyes

He starts by saying happy Newroz, is that an Islamic ceremony or an unislamic ceremony brian?

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