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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #90 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:22pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:58am:
Thus far you have presented no evidence that counters the claims made in the several sources that HB and I have presented which point out the majority of Kurds are Muslim.

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Have you got anything written in the last 3 years or do you prefer to post obsolete articles that do not reflect the reality in 2014?

From your so called evidence-
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Kurds live in parts of Turkey,Syria,Iraq,Iran Armenia and Azerbaijan.They are almost universally despised for asserting their identity.
The government of Turkey spends $6 Billion a year fighting kurds,Saddam Hussein has tried to wipe out 4 million kurds,Iraq launched a religious war against them complete with chemical weapons.

In Iran Kurds are not allowed to use their Kurdish names,In turkey speaking Kurdish was a crime until 1991.
Turkey continues to deny that the Kurds have a separate ehtnic identity- the official story is that kurds are turks who got lost in the mountains and forgot they were turkish

Nearly 3/5 of kurds are nominally sunni muslims.
The shiite kurds number around half a million.
The overwhelming majority of muslim kurds are followers of one of several mystic Sufi orders


Your so called evidence says 3/5 are sunni then claims the overwhelming majority are sufi.
So what are they brian is it  majority sunni or  overwhelming majority sufi?
The sunni persecute the sufi-
www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=persecution+of+sufis
That article disputes your claim the majority are sunni when it says the overwhelming majority are sufi despite 3/5 being sunni,are you trying to pass that off as being academic material when the author cannot decide if they are sunni or sufi?

The turks deny the kurds are a separate ethnic group and claim the Kurds are turks who got lost in the mountains and forgot they were turkish.
If your authors ask the turks what numbers will they give on kurds, will they say they are sunni turks who got lost in the mountains and  forgot they were turkish?

Your article puts shiite kurds around half a million which means there are twice as many Yazidi (1 million) as there are shiites, the Yazidi who are despised by muslims outnumber the shiites.

So why is Sunni Turkey allowing Sunni Islamic state fighters to attack the kurds from sunni Turkey territory if the Kurds are sunni majority as you claim?
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An attack by the Islamic state jihadists on the border town of Kobani has come from Turlish territory for the first time
rt.com/news/210035-isis-kobani-kurds-turkey

Moderate sunni turkey allows sunni Islamic state fighters to attack Kobane from Turkish territory,the Islamic state does not fight sunni Islam yet brian expects us to believe they are fighting sunni kurds.

Is that the aussie muslim Elomar holding a Kurdish females head,perhaps if she wore her hijab and prayed 5 times like a good sunni she could have kept her head.
www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/urgent-isis-beheaded-kurdish-female-fighter-rehana

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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #91 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:23pm
 
How many Kurds are Muslim, Baron?

Lets see you produce some credible evidence to documentary proof which states that the majority of Kurds are not Muslims.

Thats the point of this exchange.   The PKK leadership is a sideshow.  The PKK is a sideshow.

Now, either produce some evidence or admit you got it wrong.

However, you won't, now will you?   You're too much of an Islamophobe to ever admit you made a mistake.    Roll Eyes

Oh, look another article which makes the same point:
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Iraq's three-way demographic divide didn't cause the current crisis, but it's a huge part of it. You can see there are three main groups. The most important are Iraq's Shia Arabs (Shiiism is a major branch of Islam), who are the country's majority and live mostly in the south. In the north and west are Sunni Arabs. Baghdad is mixed Sunni and Shia. And in the far north are ethnic Kurds, who are religiously Sunni, but their ethnicity divides them from Arab Sunnis.

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Oh, and another:
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Iranian Kurdistan
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Religion: Sunni Muslims 66%, Shi’a Muslims 27%, Indigenous and Minority  Religions 6% (Yarsan, Yazidis, Qadiriyya and Naqshbandiyya, Ahle Haq, Christians and  Jews)

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Oh, look, yet another article:
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scholars estimate that at least two-thirds of the Kurds in Turkey nominally are Sunni Muslims, and that as many as one-third are Shia Muslims of the Alevi sect. Unlike the Sunni Turks, who follow the Hanafi school of Islamic law, the Sunni Kurds follow the Shafii school. Like their Turkish counterparts, adult male Kurds with religious inclinations tend to join Sufi brotherhoods. The Naksibendi and Kadiri orders, both of which predate the republic, have large Kurdish followings in Turkey although their greatest strength is among the Kurds of Iran. The Nurcular, a brotherhood that came to prominence during the early republican years, also has many Kurdish adherents in Turkey.

Whereas the number of Kurds belonging to the Alevi sect of Shia Islam is uncertain, the majority of Alevi are either Arabs or Turks. Historically, the Alevi lived in isolated mountain communities in southeastern Turkey and western Syria. The Kurdish Alevi have been migrating from their villages to the cities of central Anatolia since the 1950s. Whereas Kurdish and Turkish Alevi generally have good relations, the competition between Alevi and Sunni Turks for urban jobs led to a revival of traditional sectarian tensions by the mid-1970s. These intertwined economic and religious tensions culminated in a series of violent sectarian clashes in Kahramanmaras, Corum, and other cities in 1978-79 in which hundreds of Alevi died.

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Ah, another:
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Another most important factor in Kurdish society has been religion, Islam. Alongside the tribal ties are strong religious loyalties, especially to the sheikhs, aghas, and to the local leaders of religious brotherhoods. Although the Kurds are known as a highly religious people, this characteristic is comparatively recent, dating from the first half of the nineteenth century, when two religious Muslim orders, the Qadiris and the Naqshbandis, began to spread rapidly throughout Kurdistan.[47]
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Ubeydullah described Kurdish society as Muslim and Christian whereas almost all the Kurds were in fact Muslim.

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Still denying that the majority of Kurds are Muslim, Baron?   Roll Eyes
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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #92 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:30pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:59am:
Do they mention something about all enemy neighbors claiming they are a one party atheist state,is there over a dozen references to Abdullah Ocalan, how many muslims do you see 1 or 2.




In the first minute of that video the narrator mentions the Kurds enemies (Assad,Al Nusra,IS,Iraq,Turkey,Iran) say they are a one party atheist state.

What do you say about that brian or do you still insist they are muslim because of what old outdated i webapges say on the internet which does not reflect the reality in 2014?




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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #93 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:23pm:
How many Kurds are Muslim, Baron?

Lets see you produce some credible evidence to documentary proof which states that the majority of Kurds are not Muslims.

Thats the point of this exchange.   The PKK leadership is a sideshow.  The PKK is a sideshow.


The BBC documnetary shows the PKK leader is more than a sideshow they say he is the political guru behind the rojava revolution.

Do you still claim Ocalan has returned to his Islamic roots or is he atheist like his wiki page says?
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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #94 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:37pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:30pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:59am:
Do they mention something about all enemy neighbors claiming they are a one party atheist state,is there over a dozen references to Abdullah Ocalan, how many muslims do you see 1 or 2.




In the first minute of that video the narrator mentions the Kurds enemies (Assad,Al Nusra,IS,Iraq,Turkey,Iran) say they are a one party atheist state.

What do you say about that brian or do you still insist they are muslim because of what old outdated i webapges say on the internet which does not reflect the reality in 2014?



Why do the enemies of the Kurds call it a one party atheist state brian, do they have numerous references to Ocalan in that video?


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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #95 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:23pm:
How many Kurds are Muslim, Baron?


[[url=http://www.turkishweekly.net/article/15/the-ideological-and-historical-roots-of-kurdist-movements-in-turkey-ethnicity-demography-politics.html]


A turkish link on the kurds, do the turks say the kurds are really turks who got lost in the mountains and forgot they were turkish, that should be a reliable source considering the turks hate the kurds and have fought them in modern times and the Ottoman era..lmao.

How many Kurds are atheist Brian, we know the number is not zero as Ocalan is atheist yet all your articles deny the existence of atheist/agnostics.

Why do all your links deny the existence of atheists/agnostics in Kurdistan?

Can you cite an article that says there is at least 1 Kurdish atheist (Ocalan) or do all your so called academic links deny the fact atheism even exists in Kurdistan?
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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #96 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 2:26pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:37pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:30pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:59am:
Do they mention something about all enemy neighbors claiming they are a one party atheist state,is there over a dozen references to Abdullah Ocalan, how many muslims do you see 1 or 2.




In the first minute of that video the narrator mentions the Kurds enemies (Assad,Al Nusra,IS,Iraq,Turkey,Iran) say they are a one party atheist state.

What do you say about that brian or do you still insist they are muslim because of what old outdated i webapges say on the internet which does not reflect the reality in 2014?



Why do the enemies of the Kurds call it a one party atheist state brian, do they have numerous references to Ocalan in that video?




There is no Kurdish state, Baron. Kurdistan is part of Iraq.
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Reply #97 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 3:11pm
 
Baron, I've presented 14 articles which all agree that the majority of Kurds are Muslim.

HB has presented 4.

How many have you presented which disprove this?  None.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #98 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 4:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
Baron, I've presented 14 articles which all agree that the majority of Kurds are Muslim.

HB has presented 4.

How many have you presented which disprove this?  None.    Roll Eyes


Argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy brian, thousands of people say Elvis is alive should we believe them?

Your articles include sources like frontpagemag and wiki, one of them said 3/5 of kurds are sunni muslim then in the next line said the overwhelming majority are sufi,one of your sources put the shia at half a million which means Yazidi outnumber the shia, do you have anything from the last 3 years or sticking to your old outdated links that do not reflect the reality of 2014.


None of your links even acknowledge the existence of atheism, we know the number of atheists is not zero the Republic of Mahabad was a communist atheist state and despite what you claim Ocalan has not returned to Islam.
The number of kurdish atheists is not zero yet that is the exact number all your wrong links say it is.

I am still waiting for you to comment on the BBC documentary where the narrator said the enemies of the kurds view them as a single party atheist state.

Ansar al Islam the Kurdish sunni terrorist group has merged with the Islamic state who are fighting the Kurds.
That would have got rid of a few sunni muslims from Kurdish lands reducing their numbers even further eh brian.
www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184544#.VAxagSSk

Anything to say about this new secular democracy in Rojava with equal rights for women and all religions brian or are you still stuck in the past?

Not a bad achievement from an atheist in a Turkish jail. Roll Eyes



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Re: Islamic state- Selling Yazidi sex slaves for $10
Reply #99 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 5:02pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 2:26pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:37pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 12:30pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:59am:
Do they mention something about all enemy neighbors claiming they are a one party atheist state,is there over a dozen references to Abdullah Ocalan, how many muslims do you see 1 or 2.




In the first minute of that video the narrator mentions the Kurds enemies (Assad,Al Nusra,IS,Iraq,Turkey,Iran) say they are a one party atheist state.

What do you say about that brian or do you still insist they are muslim because of what old outdated i webapges say on the internet which does not reflect the reality in 2014?



Why do the enemies of the Kurds call it a one party atheist state brian, do they have numerous references to Ocalan in that video?




There is no Kurdish state, Baron. Kurdistan is part of Iraq.


There is no official kurdish state much like their is no official Islamic state, the reality is on the ground is different, the Islamic state prints their own money with pics of Osama and burning WTC towers, the Kurds have their own military and government.

Try reading this instead of Brians 10-15 year old stuff, it's only a few months old fairly accurate.
www.aucegypt.edu/GAPP/CairoReview/Pages/articleDetails.aspx?aid=606

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Reply #100 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 4:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
Baron, I've presented 14 articles which all agree that the majority of Kurds are Muslim.

HB has presented 4.

How many have you presented which disprove this?  None.    Roll Eyes


Argumentum ad numerum is a fallacy brian, thousands of people say Elvis is alive should we believe them?


If thousands signed eye-witness statements and presented documentary proof that he was alive, would you discard them all, Baron?

Using that argument, how many claimed Christ had risen from the dead?  Yet billions believe he did so....  Roll Eyes

The reality is that I have provided 14 different quotes from different websites, which all confirm that the majority of Kurds are Muslim.  You have presented none which prove the reverse.   QED.

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Your articles include sources like frontpagemag and wiki, one of them said 3/5 of kurds are sunni muslim then in the next line said the overwhelming majority are sufi,one of your sources put the shia at half a million which means Yazidi outnumber the shia, do you have anything from the last 3 years or sticking to your old outdated links that do not reflect the reality of 2014.


Baron, you can be Sunni and Sufi at the same time.   It's like saying Christian-Catholic-Jesuit.   

I purposefully BTW did not include the subdiscussion about Orclean and the PKK in that count.  That 14 is purely articles about the religious make up of the Kurdish population.   You appear fixated on the leader of the PKK for some reason - more than likely because you want to distract from the main issue of this argument - how many Kurds profess belief in Islam.   Roll Eyes

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None of your links even acknowledge the existence of atheism, we know the number of atheists is not zero the Republic of Mahabad was a communist atheist state and despite what you claim Ocalan has not returned to Islam.
The number of kurdish atheists is not zero yet that is the exact number all your wrong links say it is.


The number of Atheists amongst the Kurds are a minority, Baron.  I've never denied they exit, how ever there are more likely more Yazidis than Atheists amongst the Kurds.

Your harping on about these minority groups is pointless.  You have still to present any proof that the contention that the majority of Kurds are Muslim is wrong.    Roll Eyes

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I am still waiting for you to comment on the BBC documentary where the narrator said the enemies of the kurds view them as a single party atheist state.


It is wrong, Baron and doesn't have a bearing on what every other source I've found states - that the majority of Kurds are Muslim.

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Ansar al Islam the Kurdish sunni terrorist group has merged with the Islamic state who are fighting the Kurds.


IS is all about religion.   Religious affiliation tops all.  If the Sunni Kurds accepted the suzerainty of IS's Caliphate, then IS wouldn't be fighting the Kurds, now would they?   Just as they are fighting the Iraqi Sunnis who don't accept the suzerainty of IS's Caliphate.

This though, is just a distraction, Baron.   You have not presented any proof that the majority of Kurds are not Muslim.    Roll Eyes

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Reply #101 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:04pm
 
I can produce over 50 links that say Ibn Sina was a muslim what does that prove when i can produce fawas and books saying he was atheist, did they name a crater on the moon after that guy.

As i have pointed out you will never get reliable numbers on the kurds, the Sykes Picot agreement divided Kurdistan into parts of Syria,Iraq,Iran and Turkey and none of those countries have been kind to the Kurds

The Turks say the Kurds are mountain Turks who forgot they were Turks according to your source,Turkey is 99% muslim so when they deny they are even Kurds what religion will they become.
Iran has been fighting the Kurdish Iranian peshmerga for 30 years, lots of Kurds getting hung by the Islamic regime, the Shah said the Iranian kurds fantastic people.
Iraq had No fly zones in the north to protect the kurds while at the exact same time he had a christian Tariq Aziz as a minster, he also gassed and fought wars with them
Assad Jnr and Snr didn't like the Kurds, my shiite muslim friend reckons Assad will crush the kurds when he is done with al nusra, the FSA and the Islamic state. Roll Eyes

The BBC video shows what is going on today, the Kurds are the ones mentioning Ocalan, perhaps it's better to see how they live and what they say,you could even play spot the muslim. Roll Eyes

You concede there are kurdish atheists so why is there no mention of any disbelievers in any of your links which you claim are reliable?



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Reply #102 - Nov 30th, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
Baron,  I'm not going to bother any more.  You're just an Islamophobe bigot who's gotten carried away with hyperbole.   You can't admit you're wrong, despite all the evidence that has been gathered up against your claim that the majority of Kurds aren't Muslim.   

You're now on the same level as Yadda and Sprint - way out there in right field where your bigotry has blinded you to any, absolutely any, common sense or objectivity on this topic.    Roll Eyes
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10 bucks? Count me in  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Excellent Google-foo Brian!  Looks like Baron is lost for words (as well as just generally being lost)!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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