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The 'chosen' people
Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 1:02am

A meditation;

The 'chosen' people.
The covenant people.
The 'covenant people' are/have been identified to us [by God, by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob].
And through the testimony that is recorded in the Old Testament bible, this 'chosen' people are known [to the world of men].

....AND I WILL FORSAKE THEM

Deuteronomy 31:16
....and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

....SO THAT THEY WILL SAY IN THAT DAY, ARE NOT THESE EVILS COME UPON US, BECAUSE OUR GOD IS NOT AMONG US?

Deuteronomy 31:17
Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?

Deuteronomy 31:18
And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.

In Deuteronomy 31:18 - the God of the 'chosen' people, the God of Israel, complains that his people forgot HIM, and, that through 'inattention' [and ingratitude?], they decided to choose ['adopt'] other gods.

QUESTION;
What is a 'god' ?

Can't we also call and identify a 'god', as something which we [men] worship and adore ?

Deuteronomy 31:20
For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.
21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.

QUESTION;
If there really is a God, who is the God who created us;
What is it that [we] men choose to worship and adore, which so angers, he [the ONE] who created and owns us ?

BUT THERE IS A PROMISE OF A RENEWAL

....BUT HE SHALL APPEAR TO YOUR JOY

Isaiah 66:5
Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

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QUESTION;
If there really is a God, who is the God who created us;
Is there still a chosen people, today ?
In this age ?

2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be.....unholy,...

Numbers 16:5
And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 4:35pm

It's interesting this religion.

Homo Sapiens have been on this planet for at least 100,000 years. In order to be a Christian you have to believe that for 98,000 years humanity suffered and died. Children dying in childbirth. Famine, struggle, bitterness, war, suffering, misery, all of that for 98,000 years.

Heaven watches this with complete indifference. And then 2000 years ago, thinks 'That's enough of that. It's time to intervene,' and the best way to do this would be by condemning someone to a human sacrifice somewhere in the less literate parts of the Middle East. Don't lets appeal to the Chinese, for example, where people can read and study evidence and have a civilization. Let's go to the desert and have another revelation there.

This makes the central tenant of Christianity immoral. Vicarious redemption. You can throw all your sins on someone else. Scapegoating. Your responsibility is your own and should stay your own

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Reply #3 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:36pm

'Scapegoating', is what man is 'good at' [i.e. finding new ways to make others pay, for his own poor choices].

Redemption, is what God offers to those of us who reject scapegoating, to people who recognise the merit of merit.

"Like as a woman with child...."
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Its not rocket science.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Ezekiel 18:31
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Ezekiel 33:11
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Amos 5:4
For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:

Amos 5:14
Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate:.....

Zephaniah 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

The 'old' part of the Bible, has the exact same message for men, that Jesus also brought to mankind;

That men ought to be smart enough, to recognise who they are, and, what the world is,
...and to turn away from this world, and turn towards their God.

This world, is a place where we are constantly challenged [and seduced] by our desires.

A place where we all, constantly make mistakes [poor choices].

Don't be deceived by this world [i.e. don't deceive yourself], ....the choices we make, will all have consequences.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 11:20
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:

Matthew 6:33
....seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness....

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Matthew 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Harvest, and sickle.

Revelation 14:15
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Joel 3:13
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

Sow.

Reap.

Man does it, and so does God.

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Reply #5 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:40pm

Matthew 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Luke 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

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Reply #6 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:51pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:39pm:

Crazy as a sack full o' rats.

...as a cut snake ?

That's how mad the wicked are going to be. Cool

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Two of my favourite Koran verses..... Grin

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily [God] knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27

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Google;
99 names of Allah, the best deceiver

According to the Koran [i.e. according to Allah himself], Allah is the best deceiver.
[.....in Christian tradition, the deceiver, is a title of SATAN!! ]

And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.
Koran 3.54

In the Bible, the God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, is attributed thus;

Job 12:16
With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

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Reply #7 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25am

Yadda wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

'Scapegoating', is what man is 'good at' [i.e. finding new ways to make others pay, for his own poor choices].

Redemption, is what God offers to those of us who reject scapegoating, to people who recognise the merit of merit.

You are joking right?

The Nazarene died for your sins. If you accept him as your Lord and Saviour only then can you enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Christianity 101)

That is scapegoating in its purist form. Because of his sacrifice, your sins are purged. You have transferred your sins on to him. You have done what man is 'good at'. You've made the Nazarene pay for your own poor choices.

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Reply #8 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 10:20am

John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

If men continue in, what ???

[i.e. If men take notice of the 'contents' of what ? ]

"If ye continue in my word."

And even in this age, by what word-phrase, is the Holy Bible colloquially, also known ?

The spirit of truth.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John 5:37
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

And men will not come to who ???

Who is an obedient servant ?

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Who is it, that redeems mankind who redeems his servants ?

And who is 'defined' as a 'servant' ?

Who is it, that qualifies as an obedient servant ?

Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
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QUESTION;
If there really is a God [the one who created us];
Is there still a chosen people [or a group of people who God has chosen], today ?
In this age ?

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Again, who, are the servants of God ?

Isaiah 66:2
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

The man who trembles, at what ????

His 'word' ?

Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:..

Proverbs 9:6
Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

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Reply #9 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 10:25am

Proverbs 9:6
Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be.....unholy,...

And mankind ?

What does God say, to 'the man' who is engrossed in all of the things of this world ?

What does God say, to those of us who have 'gone native' in this world ?

Malachi 3:13
Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?
14 Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts?
15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.
16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Numbers 16:5
And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

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To the repentant soul, God offers life...

Amos 5:4
For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:

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Reply #11 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 10:45am

Raven wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

'Scapegoating', is what man is 'good at' [i.e. finding new ways to make others pay, for his own poor choices].

Redemption, is what God offers to those of us who reject scapegoating, to people who recognise the merit of merit.

You are joking right?

The Nazarene died for your sins. If you accept him as your Lord and Saviour only then can you enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Christianity 101)

That is scapegoating in its purist form. Because of his sacrifice, your sins are purged. You have transferred your sins on to him. You have done what man is 'good at'. You've made the Nazarene pay for your own poor choices.

God understands our nature.

God understands that men know how to 'scapegoat' 'the other' person.

And God knows, that we all understand what it means, to blame another, for what we have done.

And the spirit of God says;

"Hey! Here is my son, a man in your own flesh. He is going to be 'scapegoated' for your errors!
You, are going to kill him!"

"Be sorry!
Repent, that I had to die for all of your crimes.
....And if you do repent, if you come to that place, then i will forgive you.

But if you continue on, justifying your crimes, so that you can gain momentary pleasures, then look for punishment from me! Your creator!"

James 4:4
.....know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

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Reply #12 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 10:50am

issuevoter wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 10:25am:

Brevity is the soul of wit.

Repentance is a LONG, LONG story.

It is man's story.

Some people never come to it.

.....they are too busy, doing what is more pleasurable.

2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

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Reply #14 - Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 1:00pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 10:45am:

Raven wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 10:36pm:

'Scapegoating', is what man is 'good at' [i.e. finding new ways to make others pay, for his own poor choices].

Redemption, is what God offers to those of us who reject scapegoating, to people who recognise the merit of merit.

You are joking right?

The Nazarene died for your sins. If you accept him as your Lord and Saviour only then can you enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Christianity 101)

That is scapegoating in its purist form. Because of his sacrifice, your sins are purged. You have transferred your sins on to him. You have done what man is 'good at'. You've made the Nazarene pay for your own poor choices.

God understands our nature.

God understands that men know how to 'scapegoat' 'the other' person.

And God knows, that we all understand what it means, to blame another, for what we have done.

And the spirit of God says;

"Hey! Here is my son, a man in your own flesh. He is going to be 'scapegoated' for your errors!
You, are going to kill him!"

"Be sorry!
Repent, that I had to die for all of your crimes.
....And if you do repent, if you come to that place, then i will forgive you.

But if you continue on, justifying your crimes, so that you can gain momentary pleasures, then look for punishment from me! Your creator!"

There is the problem, you take no responsibility for your actions "Oh it's alright God will absolve me"

It's easier to beg forgiveness then identify the problem.

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