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Dec 2nd, 2014 at 2:44pm
 
Anti-immigration gunman linked to extremist Christian group, police say


Houston: Gunman Larry McQuilliams, who fired more than 100 gunshots at government offices last week, was a "homegrown American extremist" connected to an extremist Christian group, police in Austin said on Monday.

"He had hate in his heart," Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said.

Police said McQuilliams, 49, belonged to the Phineas Priesthood, a white supremacist group based in the Pacific Northwest that is responsible for armed robberies, abortion-clinic bombings and planned attacks on FBI buildings.
Lone mission: Larry McQuilliams was a member of a Christian supremacist group.

Lone mission: Larry McQuilliams was a member of a Christian supremacist group. Photo: Facebook

He had served time for a 1992 armed robbery, but acted alone in last week's carefully planned attack, Mr Acevedo said.

Days before, McQuilliams rented a white van and packed it with supplies, including several guns; ammunition; a gas mask; homemade explosives; a list of 34 targets (among them two churches); and the book Vigilantes of Christendom, in which he left a note describing himself as a priest  opposed to "anti-God people", Mr Acevedo said.

The first shots were reported at 2.18am on Friday,  when the gunman targeted police headquarters, a federal courthouse and the Mexican consulate.

Austin Police Sergeant Adam Johnson was nearby with a mounted patrol. As McQuilliams fired what sounded like an automatic rifle, Sergeant Johnson gripped the reins of two horses with one hand and with the other took aim in the dark, Mr Acevedo said. Johnson fired a single shot that struck and killed McQuilliams. No one else was injured in the attack.

At the medical examiner's office, officials discovered McQuilliams had scrawled  the message "let me die" on his chest, beneath a tactical vest stuffed with ammunition.

He did not leave a note explaining his motives. Neighbours at his South Austin apartment complex described him as an impoverished, gentle loner who rode his bicycle to work at a nearby car wash. He was also a Renaissance Faire enthusiast. Investigators said he appeared "upset by the fact that he could not find employment".

"In his eyes, many immigrants had more services afforded to them than he had himself," said Christopher Combes, FBI special agent in charge of the San Antonio division office.

The Austin police chief said investigators were still trying to determine whether McQuilliams was mentally ill and how, as a convicted felon, he managed to obtain several guns.

"We have a country where it's way too easy for people to use straw purchasers to get these guns in their hands," Mr Acevedo said, noting that he and other police chiefs have called for legislation that would restrict such purchases of guns, "to ensure we protect the Second Amendment by keeping them in the hands of law-abiding Americans of sound mind".
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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:09pm
 
Well this post has been up for more than 5 minutes, why hasn't it been swarmed yet by Gandy, Hot Socks and Brain pointing out that it was only one person, maybe mentally ill, not representative, that the majority of Christians are peaceful and posting examples of islamic atrocities?  Etc etc etc,  the usual hey look over there routine. 

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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:15pm
 
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:09pm:
Well this post has been up for more than 5 minutes, why hasn't it been swarmed yet by Gandy, Hot Socks and Brain pointing out that it was only one person, maybe mentally ill, not representative, that the majority of Christians are peaceful and posting examples of islamic atrocities?  Etc etc etc,  the usual hey look over there routine. 

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Probably because unlike 99% of discussions here, the purpose of this thread is not to demonstrate the innate evilness of one particular religious doctrine - but rather to demonstrate that religious extremism is not unique to just one religion.
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:17pm
 
Looks like DL has jumped the gun.  I'm away for a few minutes and missed it.

Of course, we could say he's a lone-wolf gunman, who is mentally deranged and his beliefs have nothing do "wiv"* mainstream Christianity.  However, we are reliably informed, time after time by many here that this viewpoint is wrong, that religious inspiration is what motivates such people all the time, that mental illness has nothing "to do wiv nothin'"*, so therefore we must claim that his views are in fact illustrative of what the majority of Christians believe in their hearts.   Now DL we wouldn't want to be inconsistent, now would we?   I fully expect to see Yadda, Sprint, Soren, Freediver, Baron, etc., all leaping to the same conclusion and accepting that this man was divinely inspired by his Christian beliefs about the superiority of white people over all them coloured folks!   I also expect, when they fail to make that leap, to see you criticising them for failing to do so!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:17pm:
Looks like DL has jumped the gun.  I'm away for a few minutes and missed it.

Of course, we could say he's a lone-wolf gunman, who is mentally deranged and his beliefs have nothing do "wiv"* mainstream Christianity.  However, we are reliably informed, time after time by many here that this viewpoint is wrong, that religious inspiration is what motivates such people all the time, that mental illness has nothing "to do wiv nothin'"*, so therefore we must claim that his views are in fact illustrative of what the majority of Christians believe in their hearts.   Now DL we wouldn't want to be inconsistent, now would we?   I fully expect to see Yadda, Sprint, Soren, Freediver, Baron, etc., all leaping to the same conclusion and accepting that this man was divinely inspired by his Christian beliefs about the superiority of white people over all them coloured folks!   I also expect, when they fail to make that leap, to see you criticising them for failing to do so!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Well it is that inconsistency which was the point of my post and which you are amply displaying as I knew you would. You are an apologist and a dissembler for excesses and atrocities inspired by one religion but not for equivalent actions done by another.

If this had been posted but it referring to an islamic gunman, yourself, Brain and Gandy would have been all over it. 

Still no "hey look over there" posts from you referencing an islamic atrocity.  Your Google suddenly broken?  You don't normally need to be prompted, you and Brain both.  Not so impartial as you pretend obviously. 
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:31pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:15pm:
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:09pm:
Well this post has been up for more than 5 minutes, why hasn't it been swarmed yet by Gandy, Hot Socks and Brain pointing out that it was only one person, maybe mentally ill, not representative, that the majority of Christians are peaceful and posting examples of islamic atrocities?  Etc etc etc,  the usual hey look over there routine. 

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Probably because unlike 99% of discussions here, the purpose of this thread is not to demonstrate the innate evilness of one particular religious doctrine - but rather to demonstrate that religious extremism is not unique to just one religion.


I don't know what the purpose of the thread is, I was talking about the inconsistent response.  Am I allowed to do that?

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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm
 
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:
If this had been posted but it referring to an islamic gunman, yourself, Brain and Gandy would have been all over it. 


If HB had garnished this story with irrelevant bible quotes and/or references to some unrelated incitement by some extreme christian "leaders" - or even some inane comment at the end of the story like "christianity always begets violence" - as the discussions on muslim crimes always are - then you might have a point. And yes, in such a situation I would be pouncing on it to say no, this has nothing to do with christian doctrine.
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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:40pm
 
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:31pm:
don't know what the purpose of the thread is


I'm explaining it to you - and showing you why this produces "inconsistent" responses. Am I allowed to do that?
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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:44pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:37pm:
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:
If this had been posted but it referring to an islamic gunman, yourself, Brain and Gandy would have been all over it. 


If HB had garnished this story with irrelevant bible quotes and/or references to some unrelated incitement by some extreme christian "leaders" - or even some inane comment at the end of the story like "christianity always begets violence" - as the discussions on muslim crimes always are - then you might have a point. And yes, in such a situation I would be pouncing on it to say no, this has nothing to do with christian doctrine.


Hot Socks is Wally? I guess that explains why he made a thread about a Christian extremist. 

But I don't believe you, if this had been posted exactly as it is, but in reference to an Islamicgunman, yourself and the usual "hey look over there" first responders would be making excuses and posting links to christian inspired excesses. 


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Reply #9 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:45pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:40pm:
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:31pm:
don't know what the purpose of the thread is


I'm explaining it to you - and showing you why this produces "inconsistent" responses. Am I allowed to do that?


I expected nothing less, this thread is going exactly as it always would.   Cool
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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 4:05pm
 
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:44pm:
But I don't believe you, if this had been posted exactly as it is, but in reference to an Islamicgunman, yourself and the usual "hey look over there" first responders would be making excuses and posting links to christian inspired excesses. 


I myself start threads about such 'Islamicgunmen" all the time.
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Reply #11 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 4:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:40pm:
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:31pm:
don't know what the purpose of the thread is


I'm explaining it to you - and showing you why this produces "inconsistent" responses. Am I allowed to do that?


Didn't you know?  Only DL is allowed to make posts about the inconsistencies that he believes he's detected!  He doesn't like it when other people point out his inconsistencies in detecting inconsistencies!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 4:55pm
 
Datalife wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 3:17pm:
Looks like DL has jumped the gun.  I'm away for a few minutes and missed it.

Of course, we could say he's a lone-wolf gunman, who is mentally deranged and his beliefs have nothing do "wiv"* mainstream Christianity.  However, we are reliably informed, time after time by many here that this viewpoint is wrong, that religious inspiration is what motivates such people all the time, that mental illness has nothing "to do wiv nothin'"*, so therefore we must claim that his views are in fact illustrative of what the majority of Christians believe in their hearts.   Now DL we wouldn't want to be inconsistent, now would we?   I fully expect to see Yadda, Sprint, Soren, Freediver, Baron, etc., all leaping to the same conclusion and accepting that this man was divinely inspired by his Christian beliefs about the superiority of white people over all them coloured folks!   I also expect, when they fail to make that leap, to see you criticising them for failing to do so!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Well it is that inconsistency which was the point of my post and which you are amply displaying as I knew you would.


I didn't want to disappoint you DL.  I know you like me to be consistent in my inconsistencies.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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You are an apologist and a dissembler for excesses and atrocities inspired by one religion but not for equivalent actions done by another.


Really?  Perhaps I actually don't give a stuff about any religion but am quite willing to protect innocent believers from persecution by ignorant feckwits who can't tell their arses from their elbows 'cause of their prejudices?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

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If this had been posted but it referring to an islamic gunman, yourself, Brain and Gandy would have been all over it. 

Still no "hey look over there" posts from you referencing an islamic atrocity.  Your Google suddenly broken?  You don't normally need to be prompted, you and Brain both.  Not so impartial as you pretend obviously. 


As usual, you miss the point of what I say DL.  If I am "all over" such stories it is to point out that all other Muslims are not any more responsible for what other Muslims do than Christians are for what other Christians do.   I do not accept guilt by association, which you seem to be defending by your comments.  Do you believe in guilt by association?  That membership of a group makes all members responsible for what one member may have done?  I felt I had to explain that 'cause I wonder sometimes about whether you really understand some of the terms we use in these discussions 'cause your responses seem to be rather biased.  So, do you believe in guilt by association?  Are all Muslims responsible when a single Muslim on the other side of the world decides to chop the head off some poor bvgger who's his victim?   Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #13 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 4:55pm
 
To think of the atrocious acts of terror; September 11, the Barcelona train attack, the London subway attacks, the Dutch embassy fires, Bali, all of the beheadings and - let's not forget - that crazy Christian guy that got shot by the mountie!
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Reply #14 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 5:01pm
 
Oh dear, the "hey look over there first responders" appear frazzled, still no mention yet of this christian gunmen  being a minority, not representative, or posts of islamic excesses to distract and divert. 

I wonder why the first responders are behaving so differently, hmmmmm let me think.  LOL. 

Keep at it clowns.  Cool ample demonstration of your bias.
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