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You can support women or Islam, not both
Dec 2nd, 2014 at 6:25pm
 
Turkish journalist Uzay Bulut succinctly detailed the crisis situation faced by women across the Islamic world. In doing so, she leveled her gaze at Western progressives, particularly feminists, who have a penchant for sweeping Islam’s crimes against women under the rug of “multiculturalism,” to the continued detriment of their sisterhood abroad:

Statements that come up with “multicultural” excuses to provide cover for the practices of fundamentalist Islam, however, never have, and never will, help to liberate women who suffer under Islamic misogyny, gender apartheid and jihad.

To make a positive change in Muslim countries, we need to be able to speak openly and tell the (too-often criminalized) truth about what Islamic teachings and traditions actually contain. Yet in Muslim countries, it is impossible speak openly about what is in these Islamic teachings and traditions, without putting one’s life at risk.

There is a situation even more frightening. It now seems to be difficult to speak openly about fundamentalist Islam even in Western countries, in part thanks to the dangerous enchantment of Western progressives and feminists who romanticize Islamism.

Women in the Muslim world desperately need the voice of Western progressives and feminists. But when it comes to finding excuses to neutralize critical questions about Islamic violence, Western progressives seem endlessly creative.

Feminists in the Islamic world have a laundry list of Western progressive feminism’s “Excuses for Abuses” which include:

Criticizing Islam is racist and reveals “intolerance,” “bigotry” and “Islamophobia.”

“Injustices against women take place all around the world, not just against Muslims or in Muslim countries.”

“What you are seeing is not the real Islam; Islam has been hijacked.”

“It is not about Islam. Crimes were committed and are being committed in all places throughout history.”


Bulut’s responses to the last two “Excuses” are particularly interesting:

“Not all Muslims are the same. There are good and bad Muslims, just as there are good and bad people in all religions.”


First of all, thank you very much for this genius discovery. But how can it help reduce the Islamic violence around the world?

Of course it is true that there are many good Muslims, whose values do not follow Islamic teachings verbatim, but also include humanitarian values. They do not wage war on other religions or try to bring them under submission to Islam. In the eyes of jihadis or Islamists, however, who live by the harshest interpretation of most doctrinaire Islamic teachings, such a quality makes them “bad Muslims.”

“All religions are essentially the same.”

Well, not quite. Biblical values are far more benign than Islamic ones, and generally descriptive rather than proscriptive. Furthermore, the most violent of them were long ago abandoned.

No religion, for instance, other than Islam, has ever commanded that those who insult or leave it should be put to death. (See Surahs 6:93, 33:57, 33:61)

Bulut’s conclusion acts as a clarion call to Western feminists:
You can defend Islam, or you can defend women, but you cannot defend both.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/10/turkish-journalist-western-feminism-excuses...



Includes vid from a Sydney appearance at the Opera House (Ideas at the House)



You can side with Brain, HB, PB, or you can side with Hirsi Ali and Bulut.
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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 6:45pm
 
I remember reading a book called "Princess: A True Story of Life Behind the Veil in Saudi Arabia" when I was a student. I few days later I was talking to a girl who announced that she was a feminist. So I told her about this book and asked her what she thought. She looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language.

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Criticizing Islam is racist and reveals “intolerance,” “bigotry” and “Islamophobia.”


She must have met Brian and Gandalf.
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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 7:19pm
 
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Criticizing Islam is racist and reveals “intolerance,” “bigotry” and “Islamophobia.”


Especially when said critics make racist comments about muslims when no one else had mentioned it.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 7:28pm
 
You do not need to support Islam to be refusing to discriminate against it.
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 7:29pm
 
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You could also say that you can support Woman or Tony Abbott as well.
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2014 at 10:47pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 7:29pm:
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You can support women or Islam, not both


You could also say that you can support Woman or Tony Abbott as well.


The old boy hates women and Islam.

Loves a good stool though.
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Reply #6 - Dec 4th, 2014 at 10:24pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 10:47pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 2nd, 2014 at 7:29pm:
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You can support women or Islam, not both


You could also say that you can support Woman or Tony Abbott as well.


The old boy hates women and Islam.

Loves a good stool though.



You mean Bulut, a Turkish woman, hates women and Islam.


Bulut’s conclusion
acts as a clarion call to Western feminists: You can defend Islam, or you can defend women, but you cannot defend both
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http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/10/turkish-journalist-western-feminism-excuses...




Eat more shite sandwiches, PB, you know you want to.

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Reply #7 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 9:42am
 
Good grief, a person criticising islam in a huge muslim country - and a woman no less??

Surely you know thats not possible Soren - the great islamic terror machine has successfully silenced anyone daring to criticise islam - remember?
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Reply #8 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 5:48pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 9:42am:
Good grief, a person criticising islam in a huge muslim country - and a woman no less??

Surely you know thats not possible Soren - the great islamic terror machine has successfully silenced anyone daring to criticise islam - remember?

You mean in the ONLY secular Muslim country.
And it's not holding out for long.



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Reply #9 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 6:33pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
You mean in the ONLY secular Muslim country.


Quite right - oh apart from all those other like you know, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and of course the largest muslim country on earth - Indonesia.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #10 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 6:55pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
You mean in the ONLY secular Muslim country.


Quite right - oh apart from all those other like you know, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and of course the largest muslim country on earth - Indonesia.

So nuffin' unique about Ataturk, ALL the others are just the same.


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Reply #11 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 8:09pm
 
You were the one who said Indonesia is not secular. Do you agree thats just a tad stupid?
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Reply #12 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 10:41pm
 
Stupid or mendacious?

That’s the question.
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Reply #13 - Dec 5th, 2014 at 10:47pm
 
You can support women or Islam, not both

I hope someone lets all the Islamic women know before its too late Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #14 - Dec 6th, 2014 at 12:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5th, 2014 at 8:09pm:
You were the one who said Indonesia is not secular. Do you agree thats just a tad stupid?



It is not secular like Australia is secular.
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