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The Hidden Majority
Dec 11^th, 2014 at 6:42am

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But those interviewed also felt enormous pressure to "perform" as good Muslims - to hold themselves up to a higher standard. One noted that any identifiably Muslim person cannot afford to commit an infraction as relatively minor as littering.

"The standards they feel they have to meet to be seen as decent people are far higher than others," says Harris. "With this burden of being good, there isn't a lot of time left to just be who you are."

Ameera heard the same thing in her interviews. "People said: 'I have to be smiling all the time, because if I don't smile I'll convey that image of the bad Muslim'. They didn't feel they could frown in public."

What struck her most in the course of the research was the idea that young Muslims have to work so hard to show people how "normal" they are "by acting out their normalness and explaining their normalness".

Perhaps the most striking of the study's findings was the degree to which young Muslims feel positively perceived by their local community (61 per cent) as compared to wider society (25 per cent).

In interviews they talked about having open conversations and great interactions with non-Muslims on a one-to-one basis, but feeling isolated and misunderstood on the national stage.

"There was this frustration," says Harris, "that they didn't know how to scale up what was working at the community level with a broader public perception."

http://www.theage.com.au/national/so-youre-a-muslim-20141209-1215kk.html

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #1 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 8:20am Did any of them mention that their image was being undermined by hundreds of head hacking lunatics?
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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #2 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 8:41am freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 8:20am: Did any of them mention that their image was being undermined by hundreds of head hacking lunatics? Elephant in the room...quick! Look over there, it's Kony!!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #3 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 8:46am If they keep grinning, maybe no-one will notice.
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Reply #4 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 9:05am

As an expression of sympathy for these people, we should come up with a list of tips for image management. I only have seven so far, but we should be able to manage ten.

Top Ten Tips for Muslim Image Management

1) When in public, always grin to reassure people that you are not carrying any explosives on your person.
2) End all your sentences with "nothing sinister".
3) Tell people about the normal things you do. For example, "This morning I ate cornflakes for breakfast and refrained from plotting to undermine western values. How about you, nothing sinister eh?
4) Don't litter. This makes people think you are a good person. It is who you are.
5) Act out your normalness at every opportunity. It is important to make this appear natural and spontaneous, so don't try too hard.
6) Converse openly and interact greatly with people on a one-to-one basis.
7) Scale up all of this to the national level.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #5 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 9:08am Oh whatever.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #6 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 9:52am 6) Converse openly and interact greatly with people on a one-to-one basis. Westerners call this a Turing test and will use it to judge whether you are one of them. 8) Sing along to that song 'Everything is Awesome' from The Lego Movie.
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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #7 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 10:22am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 6:42am:

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But those interviewed also felt enormous pressure

to "perform" as good Muslims - to hold themselves up to a higher standard.

One noted that any identifiably Muslim person cannot afford to commit an infraction as relatively minor as littering.

"The standards they feel they have to meet to be seen as decent people are far higher than others," says Harris. "With this burden of being good, there isn't a lot of time left to just be who you are."

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In interviews they talked about having open conversations and great interactions with non-Muslims on a one-to-one basis, but feeling isolated and misunderstood on the national stage.

"There was this frustration," says Harris, "that they didn't know how to scale up what was working at the community level with a broader public perception."

http://www.theage.com.au/national/so-youre-a-muslim-20141209-1215kk.html

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Why should any moslem be ashamed or self conscious about being a moslem, here in Australia ?

Such a suggestion is absurd!!!!

Every one knows that, ISLAM is a peaceful and virtuous faith, and,
that the inspiration to every moslem, Mohammed [the messenger of Allah] was a paragon of virtue!!!

How do we know these things ?

Because the moslem community tell us infidels incessantly, that these things are so ! Tongue

And we must [be respectful, and] believe the moslem community !

For example, ISLAM is a faith which can proudly claim, to protect the honour of women.

Google;
islam protects the honour of women

one of the hits....
Quote:

How does Islam protect Women from violence? - Discover ...
www.discoverislam.com/poster.asp?poster=DIW2004_09&page=2
Verbal, psychological, emotional, sexual, and physical violence are forbidden, as are false allegations against women's chastity and honor. Men are further ...

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"We went out with Allah's Messenger"
= = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"
= = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them"
= = hmmmm, i wonder what that means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
= = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust.

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them."
= = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them.

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"
= = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8

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Peace and harmony abound, within the holy confines of ISLAMIC doctrine and holy ISLAMIC law.

It is true!!!

Honest! Tongue

ISLAMIC LAW......

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #8 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 10:34am

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 6:42am:

Quote:

But those interviewed also felt enormous pressure

to "perform" as good Muslims - to hold themselves up to a higher standard.

One noted that any identifiably Muslim person cannot afford to commit an infraction as relatively minor as littering.

"The standards they feel they have to meet to be seen as decent people are far higher than others," says Harris. "With this burden of being good, there isn't a lot of time left to just be who you are."

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In interviews they talked about having open conversations and great interactions with non-Muslims on a one-to-one basis, but feeling isolated and misunderstood on the national stage.

"There was this frustration," says Harris, "that they didn't know how to scale up what was working at the community level with a broader public perception."

http://www.theage.com.au/national/so-youre-a-muslim-20141209-1215kk.html

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Why should any moslem be ashamed or self conscious about being a moslem, here in Australia ?

Perhaps because people like you keep reminding them that they supposedly in reality want to cut peoples' heads off and blow themselves up all the time?

No, of course not, that couldn't be a reason, now could it? Grin

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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #9 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 10:51am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 6:42am:

Quote:

But those interviewed also felt enormous pressure

to "perform" as good Muslims - to hold themselves up to a higher standard.

One noted that any identifiably Muslim person cannot afford to commit an infraction as relatively minor as littering.

"The standards they feel they have to meet to be seen as decent people are far higher than others," says Harris. "With this burden of being good, there isn't a lot of time left to just be who you are."

....
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In interviews they talked about having open conversations and great interactions with non-Muslims on a one-to-one basis, but feeling isolated and misunderstood on the national stage.

"There was this frustration," says Harris, "that they didn't know how to scale up what was working at the community level with a broader public perception."

http://www.theage.com.au/national/so-youre-a-muslim-20141209-1215kk.html

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Why should any moslem be ashamed or self conscious about being a moslem, here in Australia ?

Perhaps because people like you keep reminding them that they supposedly in reality want to cut peoples' heads off and blow themselves up all the time?

No, of course not, that couldn't be a reason, now could it? Grin

Hot_Breath,

If moslems are such good people [in reality!!!],

then why do moslems refuse to admit what ISLAM is [and why do moslems - WHO ARE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA - promote murder and violence behind closed doors] ??

This shocking and candid YOUTUBE vision [below], shows how some moslems behave, within Australia, behind closed doors.

Moslems - WHO ARE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA - are teaching moslem children to hate Australia and Australians !

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

Hot_Breath,

Why do 'good' moslems - WHO ARE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA - behave like this ????

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Luke 16:31

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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #10 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:09am

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 10:51am:

Hot_Breath,

If moslems are such good people [in reality!!!], then why do moslems refuse to admit what ISLAM is [and why do moslems - [u]WHO ARE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA - promote murder and violence [u]behind closed doors] ??

How do you know what goes on behind closed doors? Are you listening in? Working for the Secret Police? Spying on people?

Perhaps you should ask yourself how people who claim to be Christians engage in torture? Afterall, I'm sure if you asked all those CIA torturers and the people in the US Government which ordered them to torture, they'd all say they were Christians!

Then you have the Australian Government of the day who ignored the protests about the torture of Mandu Habib and Simon Hicks in American hands. I'm sure John Howard would describe himself as a Christian, don't you think?

Yadda you talk the worst bullshit. You attack Muslims for anything you perceive as a wrong and ignore all the wrongs committed by your fellow Christians! You demand that Muslims must give up their religion because some Muslims have committed crimes but ignore the Christians who similar things! So, when are you going to give up your religion because of what your fellow Christian's crimes?

Or are you going to be a hypocrite? Grin

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Reply #11 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:14am

Hot_Breath,

If moslems are such good and virtuous people [in reality!!!],

then why do moslems refuse to admit to the truth, about what ISLAM is ??

And about what every moslem is ?

Hot_Breath,

Here is another moslem paragon of virtue.

This moslem, lives here in Australia.

And what a credit, 'catmeat' Hilaly is, to all moslems, here in Australia!!!!

Sheik Hilaly Caught vandalizing his own Mosque - YouTube.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9O5KPI4qTI

Sheik Hilaly, was, not so long ago, the Mufti of Australia!!

i.e.
The spiritual leader, of ALL moslems, here in Australia.

Yeah,what a paragon of virtue, 'the moslem' in Australia, has revealed himself to be!!! Tongue

Shameless Muslim Woman Falsely Accuse Aussie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8tPsk1XbRM

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #12 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:18am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 10:51am:

Hot_Breath,

If moslems are such good people [in reality!!!], then why do moslems refuse to admit what ISLAM is [and why do moslems - WHO ARE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA - promote murder and violence [u]behind closed doors] ??

How do you know what goes on behind closed doors?

HB,

Watch the YT video.

And you will discover what moslems, [u]moslems living here in Australia, are doing behind closed doors!!!

Quote:

This shocking and candid YOUTUBE vision [below], shows how some moslems behave, within Australia, behind closed doors.

Moslems - WHO ARE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA - are teaching moslem children to hate Australia and Australians !

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #13 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:25am

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

Hot_Breath,

If moslems are such good and virtuous people [in reality!!!],

then why do moslems refuse to admit to the truth, about what ISLAM is ??

And about what every moslem is ?

Yadda said....

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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

TRUTH.

All cognisant moslems themselves, know this to be true, and deny and hide this criminal intent from their non-moslem host communities.

ISLAM'S own manifesto [the Koran]

makes 'lawful' [and encourages extreme violence and] the murder of those who do not believe, as moslems believe.

e.g.
The law of ISLAM, declares all mankind who reject ISLAM, to be the servants of SATAN, and therefore WORTHY OF DEATH. [Koran 4.74-76]

In that single 'inerrant' proposition, ISLAM makes moslem 'religious' violence [against those who are not moslems] 'LAWFUL' [AND, also makes the murder of those who are not moslems 'LAWFUL'] !

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

".......And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC LAW, makes 'lawful', the killing of those who do not believe, as moslems believe.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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