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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #15 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 12:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 9:08am:

Oh whatever.

Surely you must have expected this Annie.

You won't get FD arguing the importance

of not alienating the mainstream muslim community

by not painting them all with the same brush anymore.

Oh gandalf!!!!!

You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!!

Shock horror!!!!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....moslems!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] !

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Or is it because you mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are trying to stereotype members of the mainstream moslem community, as being associated with moslem extremists!!!!

gandalf,

Is your argument now, that moslems [who live in Australia] do not have anything to do, with what ISLAM teaches, within ISLAM's own foundation, religious texts [i.e. the Koran and Hadith, and ISLAM's own law texts] ?

e.g.
MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC LAW, makes 'lawful', the killing of those who do not believe, as moslems believe.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #16 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 1:23pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

Hot_Breath,

If moslems are such good and virtuous people [in reality!!!],

then why do moslems refuse to admit to the truth, about what ISLAM is ??

And about what every moslem is ?

Why Christians refuse to admit to the truth about Christianity?

About what every Christian is?

You're a hypocrite Yadda and you're going to burn in eternal damnation in the fire and brimstone of hell! You have broken the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness"! Grin

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
Matthew 7:5

"And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?"
Romans 2:3

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."
1 John 2:9

"What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"
James 2:14-26

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."
Matthew 7:1

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
Titus 1:16

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #17 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 7:15pm To live up to Christian standards is almost impossible. To live up to Mohammed's example is as easy as pie.
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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #18 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 7:46pm

Soren wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

To live up to Christian standards is almost impossible.

Yes, its a pity so few here who profess to be Christians don't even make an attempt, Soren. Y., Moses, you, are bad examples for the rest of Christianity.

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To live up to Mohammed's example is as easy as pie.

According to whom? You? But we all know you're extremely bigoted so your opinion is worthless, Soren. It lacks any objectivity on the matter. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #19 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 9:00pm Soren wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 7:15pm: To live up to Christian standards is almost impossible. Hence, you’re a Freudian. Best not to.be too adventurous, old boy. Stay with what you know, eh? Today’s stool is delicious. Will you have one?
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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #20 - Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Quote:

To live up to Mohammed's example is as easy as pie.

According to whom?

You?

But we all know you're extremely bigoted so your opinion is worthless, Soren.

It lacks any objectivity on the matter. Roll Eyes

Too easy.........................

According to ISLAM's tenets and laws.

MOSLEM 'YOUTH' IN AUSTRALIA FOLLOWING MOHAMMED'S EXAMPLE.....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/police-say-two-girls-gang-raped-at-fairfie...
2014-04-09
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Two schoolgirls gang-raped at Fairfield after meeting three men on Sydney train, police say
By police reporter Lucy Carter

Updated 1 hour 18 minutes ago

Two schoolgirls have been gang-raped by three men in broad daylight in Sydney's south west, police say, and there are fears the men could strike again.

According to police, the girls, both 16, skipped school in the Blacktown area to go shopping at Castle Hill.

....Superintendent Peter Lennon says they asked three men for directions and were told they would be shown to a bus terminal.

"The girls were lost, they were trying to get some help," Superintendent Lennon said.

"Unfortunately they were coaxed by these young men into coming to Fairfield - way, way off track of where they wanted to go."

......Superintendent Lennon the men had been described as being of "Middle Eastern Mediterranean" appearance.

The first male is described as being aged between 19 and 21 with a dark complexion, about 178cm tall, and with a thin build and dark hair.

MOHAMMED'S EXAMPLE.....

Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger"
= = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"
= = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them"
= = hmmmm, i wonder what that means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
= = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust.

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them."
= = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them.

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"
= = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8i+++

MOSLEM LAWLESSNESS [AND SEX CRIMES], OUT OF CONTROL IN EUROPE.....

10% of Norwegian Women Have Been Raped by Muslim Immigrants

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1416541277/0#0

A MOSLEM 'RAPE-FEST' IS OCCURRING TODAY, IN EUROPE - WHY ?
HAS THIS EPIDEMIC OF THE MOSLEM RAPE, OF NON-MOSLEM WOMEN IN EUROPE, GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM ?

http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com/

Google;
bilal skaf, rape, uncovered women, no right to say no

Google,
"rape jihad"

Google,
Beslan 'jihad', murder and rape-fest, by 'terrorists'

Google,
Beslan 'jihad', babies knifed, school children raped

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #21 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 1:38pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Quote:

To live up to Mohammed's example is as easy as pie.

According to whom?

You?

But we all know you're extremely bigoted so your opinion is worthless, Soren.

It lacks any objectivity on the matter. Roll Eyes

Too easy.........................

According to ISLAM's tenets and laws.

So, are all the mainstream Muslims who don't follow the "tenets and laws" you claim are Islam's, being bad Muslims Yadda?

Could it be that you've misunderstood Mohammed's message?

Just as it appears you've misunderstood Christianity's? Grin

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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #22 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 11:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Quote:

To live up to Mohammed's example is as easy as pie.

According to whom?

You?

But we all know you're extremely bigoted so your opinion is worthless, Soren.

It lacks any objectivity on the matter. Roll Eyes

Too easy.........................

According to ISLAM's tenets and laws.

So, are all the mainstream Muslims who don't follow the "tenets and laws" you claim are Islam's, being bad Muslims Yadda?

Could it be that you've misunderstood Mohammed's message?

Just as it appears you've misunderstood Christianity's? Grin

Genius and biblical scholar able to espouse on misunderstanding religious scripture. Roll Eyes

Religion being what it is, vague, usually contradictory and subjective it is best to leave it at if they reckon it is so and that is what they believe in to take it at face value.

Instead of announcing what is and what isn't misunderstanding. That's what causes religious poo fights.

But still, feel free to lecture on religious misunderstandings. Cool

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #23 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:08pm I say, DL, are you saying we shouldn’t criticize Islam? I’m curious.
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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #24 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:13pm Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:08pm: I say, DL, are you saying we shouldn’t criticize Islam? I’m curious. How the hell did you arrive at that conclusion?
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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #25 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

I say, DL, are you saying we shouldn’t criticize Islam?

I’m curious.

How the hell did you arrive at that conclusion?

Best not to mention hell either, DL. That could cause religious poo fights.

Don’t let FD see your above post. He’ll put it in the Spineless thread of shame.

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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #26 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:22pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

I say, DL, are you saying we shouldn’t criticize Islam?

I’m curious.

How the hell did you arrive at that conclusion?

Best not to mention hell either, DL. That could cause religious poo fights.

Don’t let FD see your above post. He’ll put it in the Spineless thread of shame.

Hell in case you didn't know is also a colloquialism.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #27 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:38pm Sorry, DL, you didn’t answer the question. Should we avoid religious poo fights by not quibbling over Islamic theology? After all, we might offend someone.
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Re: The Hidden Majority
Reply #28 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Sorry, DL, you didn’t answer the question. Should we avoid religious poo fights by not quibbling over Islamic theology?

After all, we might offend someone.

It was a comment on the pointlessness of pontificatiing how someone else has misunderstood a religious interpretation. Vague, subjective and contradictory might have provided a clue for you.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: The Hidden Majority Reply #29 - Dec 12^th, 2014 at 3:02pm Actually," lecturing on religious misunderstandings" provided a clue for me, DL. Should we avoid this wherever possible?
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