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Dec 12th, 2014 at 12:53pm
 
Seems like Abbott has found another non-major issue to distract the public from his poor performance.


Tony Abbott wants a referendum to be held in May 2017 to recognise Indigenous Australians in the constitution, but won't commit to a date until he is confident it will succeed.

"I am prepared to sweat blood on this," the Prime Minister declared at a Recognise dinner at Redfern on Thursday night, saying the cause was "at least as important as all the other causes this government has been prepared to take on".

While he favoured putting the question on the 50th anniversary of the 1967 referendum, Mr Abbott said: "But I do not want it to fail because every Australian would be the loser. It is more important to get this right than to try to rush it through.

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http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-vows-to-swe...

Why dont you do something useful about fixing your budget you maggott Abbott, rather than this nonsense!
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BAN ALL THESE ABO SITES RECOGNITIONS.

ALL AUSTRALIA IS FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS!
 
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Reply #1 - Dec 12th, 2014 at 7:31pm
 
The thread title did make me laugh. Good pun.
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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 13th, 2014 at 12:28pm
 
I'd much rather see the Mad Monk stop treating Indigenous Australians as second-class citizens, imposing "work for the dole" conditions on them which are different than those imposed on white Australians.   He's a hypocrite of the worst order.   Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #3 - Dec 13th, 2014 at 9:05pm
 
They could go out and get a job, couldn't they?
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Reply #4 - Dec 15th, 2014 at 2:36am
 
Yeah provided there is actual work for them.

There are about 3/4 of a million unemployed people in Australia and only about one quarter of a million jobs.

So even if all the jobs are filled there will still be around 500 million people unemployed.

Prospects don't look good.
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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

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Reply #5 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:22am
 
I think you meant 500,000, Raven, not 500 million!
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 10:54am
 
Yes thank you Brian
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Reply #7 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 11:03am
 
The main objection to this is that it incorporates racism into the constitution of Australia.

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Reply #8 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:42pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 11:03am:
The main objection to this is that it incorporates racism into the constitution of Australia.


There already is racism in the Constitution Herbert
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Reply #9 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:42pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 11:03am:
The main objection to this is that it incorporates racism into the constitution of Australia.


There already is racism in the Constitution Herbert


Link please.

The aboriginal flag is the clearest evidence of racism that I have yet seen in this country.

What next ~ the flag of Islam flying alongside our national flag outside our State and federal parliamentary houses?

Once you start making apartheid constitutional recognition for one group as being distinct from the mainstream ~ where does it all end?

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Reply #10 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:15pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
The aboriginal flag is the clearest evidence of racism that I have yet seen in this country.


What about the States' flags?

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Once you start making apartheid constitutional recognition for one group as being distinct from the mainstream ~ where does it all end?


You realise how hard it is to get a constitutional amendment, right?

Quote:
s 128:


                   This Constitution shall not be altered except in the following manner:

                   The proposed law for the alteration thereof must be passed by an absolute majority of each House of the Parliament, and not less than two nor more than six months after its passage through both Houses the proposed law shall be submitted in each State and Territory to the electors qualified to vote for the election of members of the House of Representatives.

For your perusal.

Majority of electors in a majority of states/territories. Plus it has to get an absolute majority of both houses of parliament. Something that's often tried, but very rarely successfully done.

And, nipping your favourite whinge topic in the bud, you won't have any constitutional recognition of muslims because you wont' get your majority of voters in a majority of states, will you? So you rest easy.
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Reply #11 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm
 
Here you go Herbert

Section 25 of the Australian Constitution

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For the purposes of the last section, if by the law of any State all persons of any race are disqualified from voting at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of the State, then, in reckoning the number of the people of the State or of the Commonwealth, persons of the race resident in that State shall not be counted.


http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/lin...

Then of course the Race Power section in 51(26). It says federal Parliament can make ''special laws'' for people of any race. The idea in 1901 was that laws were needed to discriminate against certain races, such as by limiting their choice of occupation or where they could live so as to limit their contact with whites. As stated by the nation's first prime minister, Edmund Barton, the power was necessary to ''regulate the affairs of the people of coloured or inferior races who are in the Commonwealth''.

Incidentally the races power did not originally apply to Aboriginal people. At the time of Federation they were described as a ''dying race'' and it was thought that this would best be managed by the states and not the Commonwealth.
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Reply #12 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:26pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm:
races power did not originally apply to Aboriginal people


I think you've got it the wrong way round. 51(xxvi) says:
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the people of any race , other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws;

and the part about the aboriginal race was repealed in... the 50's IIRC? But at any race, the effect was really to extend the race power to include Aboriginals, whereas previously A. affairs were in the domain of the states.

But your point about s25 is absolutely correct. Although, it is worth noting that any such legislation would be over-turned as inconsistent with the Racial Discrimination Act under s109 CC.
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Reply #13 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:41pm
 
MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:26pm:
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm:
races power did not originally apply to Aboriginal people


I think you've got it the wrong way round. 51(xxvi) says:
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the people of any race , other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws;

and the part about the aboriginal race was repealed in... the 50's IIRC? But at any race, the effect was really to extend the race power to include Aboriginals, whereas previously A. affairs were in the domain of the states.


Until the 1967 referendum Federal Parliament could not make special laws for Aboriginal People. The referendum deleted "other then the aboriginal race" and now Federal Parliament can make laws in regards to Aboriginal People, so originally the race powers did not apply to Aboriginal People.
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Reply #14 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:44pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm:
Here you go Herbert

Edmund Barton, the power was necessary to ''regulate the affairs of the people of coloured or inferior races who are in the Commonwealth''.


And he was, of course, quite correct in assuming that a people of a Stone Age culture should not be burdened with the same civic responsibilities as the settlers and immigrants.

He was exempting them from the political and work obligations that were imposed upon the rest of Australia.

Even to this present day, I don't hear too much objection and protest from the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry that indigenous Australians are not required, as everyone else is, to be actively looking for work if they are on the dole, and that they must sign a Mutual Obligation Agreement document as a prerequisite for receiving the dole.

And must attend all job interviews as dictated by their local Centrelink office. Uniquely, as with Strait Islanders, Aborigines are not required to look for work while receiving the dole.

Aborigines whinge about 'racism' only when it doesn't jeopardise the unique privileges they enjoy that are not given to the rest of the Australian population.

Noel Pearson has been criticising this double-stand for years. He wants the aboriginal people to not be privileged with special exemptions and considerations for being native Australians.
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