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Reply #120 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:35pm:

How is a single Muslim hostage taker going to do his prayers?

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

He'll be tired by then..... they'll wait him out....

Plenty of coffee available....

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #121 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself.
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MumboJumbo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1474 Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #122 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm: I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself. Do elaborate.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #124 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:54pm: I find the response to this incident far more unsettling and frightening than the act itself. Do elaborate. I was pretty clear.
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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #125 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. Grin

is it or is it not muslims ?

What is? Do you have any proof that the perpetrators are in fact Muslims? Anybody can buy a flag and hang it in the window.

Even if they are Muslims, why do you assume they are actually either (a) observant or (b) following the mainstream interpretation of that religion?

Your bias and bigotry is well known Sprint. You are an Islamophobe. You will I expect blame all Muslims for this in your usual idiot idea of Collective Guilt. Grin

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

Have you ever seen those westerns they made in Hollywood in the 30-50s, the mob is all hysterical about something and eventually there's this guy at the front clearly missing most of his marbles who screams "HANG HIM!". Yep you guessed it. That was Longy.

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #126 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

Sydney siege: reports of hostage situation inside Martin Place cafe

A GUNMAN is reportedly holding people hostage at a cafe in Sydney’s Martin Place.
Channel 7 reported that an armed man is holding hostages at the Lindt Chocolate cafe, opposite the broadcaster’s Martin Place studios.
A NSW Police spokeswoman told Guardian Australia police were responding to an “unfolding” situation in Martin Place.
She would not confirm social media reports that a gunman was in the area, merely that it was an “ongoing operation.”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-...
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ISIL Flag in window of cafe, is on most TV channels now!

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

this from the same guy who is opposed to the death penalty !! ....

wasn't this one of your old quotes longstupidone?

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

a true rightie believes in justice, freedom, compassion, human rights and due process. lefties however define justice as murdering their opponents, freedom as the right to do as they say, human rights as non-existence and due process as the trip to the gallows and no more.

your posts on MH17 pretty much prove at least some of the above.

He laughed it off as a "knee-jerk reaction".

It's all to do with "literary devices and context", so he says.

I'll let others be the judge.

literary devices and context? yesterday he was claiming it was satire .... Cheesy

imagine what an education and an ability and desire to read books could do to you!

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #127 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:06pm Well I for one am very unsettled and frightened that some people are realising that those swarthy middle eastern imports aren't really the loving, cuddly teddy bears some claim them to be. That's far more dangerous than lunatics waving guns around.
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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #128 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:06pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

He's balding and middle aged, from what I saw.

I'm guessing mentally ill and acting alone. It just looks weird. He looks agitated, he has the wrong flag and his backpack looks ridiculous for some reason.

I'm with you Annie, mental health issues is my guess. That will disappoint herb who we can expect to come out scream; "Yeah but he's a mentally ill MUSLIM person isn't he". And Longy of course would hang him anyway.

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #129 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:08pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

I was just thinking (no, hold the applause) about how dreadfully ironic it would be if this bloke was actually trying to curry support for the anti-islam brigade by pretending to be a terrorist. I believe this sort of thing is called a "false-flag" op.

'false-flag' is the kind of thing conspiracy theorists and their mentally ill friends claim all the time.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #130 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:09pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

I was just thinking (no, hold the applause) about how dreadfully ironic it would be if this bloke was actually trying to curry support for the anti-islam brigade by pretending to be a terrorist. I believe this sort of thing is called a "false-flag" op.

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? Grin

you go to a holdup carrying an Islamic flag???

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #131 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

I was just thinking (no, hold the applause) about how dreadfully ironic it would be if this bloke was actually trying to curry support for the anti-islam brigade by pretending to be a terrorist. I believe this sort of thing is called a "false-flag" op.

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? Grin

you go to a holdup carrying an Islamic flag???

It's his flag, is it?

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #132 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

He's balding and middle aged, from what I saw.

I'm guessing mentally ill and acting alone. It just looks weird. He looks agitated, he has the wrong flag and his backpack looks ridiculous for some reason.

Being delusional is considered a mental illness, we could say being delusional is common with muslims who believe Mo was a profit from god.

So a flag that says- "There is no god but god and Muhammad was his messenger" is the wrong flag for what?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #133 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:37pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

We are well and truly stuffed now. If you're in Sydney, evacuate immediately! Run for your lives! The B-52s are on their way!

I was just thinking (no, hold the applause) about how dreadfully ironic it would be if this bloke was actually trying to curry support for the anti-islam brigade by pretending to be a terrorist. I believe this sort of thing is called a "false-flag" op.

Possible but a long stretch... seems more like some individual with a funny idea of making a statement or being a martyr for something he has yet to specify....

What if it's a hold up gone wrong? Grin

you go to a holdup carrying an Islamic flag???

It's his flag, is it?

They keep one in the shop incase a Muslim terrorist wants to put the place in lockdown and forgot to bring his own.

Idiot.

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #134 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 2:17pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:41pm:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm:

You can combine prayers in special circumstances.

That should give him until after 8pm tonight before he has to do any for today (excluding fajr prayer this morning).

Is hostage taking one of those circumstances?

Not sure - its something he'll have to negotiate with The Almighty when he faces him (which may not be too long).

In any case, he still has until around 4:30pm even without combining.

Does the koran offer any guidance as to what constitutes special circumstances? Or does one have to turn to the imams for that?

Its discretionary - based on common sense.

You do your best to do all your prayers, but within reason.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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