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Reply #15 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:15am

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

Sydney siege: reports of hostage situation inside Martin Place cafe

A GUNMAN is reportedly holding people hostage at a cafe in Sydney’s Martin Place.
Channel 7 reported that an armed man is holding hostages at the Lindt Chocolate cafe, opposite the broadcaster’s Martin Place studios.
A NSW Police spokeswoman told Guardian Australia police were responding to an “unfolding” situation in Martin Place.
She would not confirm social media reports that a gunman was in the area, merely that it was an “ongoing operation.”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-...
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ISIL Flag in window of cafe, is on most TV channels now!

The ISIL flag statement originally came from the TV channels, but they have now changed their story and they are saying it isn't an ISIL flag.

However, the TV channels are till saying the flag is a jihadist flag.

Yes, they like to focus on the "important" things (things, that is, that will look good on the 6 o'clock "news" bulletin).

Meanwhile, police (rightly so) are concerned with getting the hostages out of there safely, and are not that bothered with a worthless piece of rag.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #16 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes.
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Reply #17 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

Guess how the allies won the Second World War?

Guns. Bombs. Shooting.

They 'lowered' themselves to fight the enemy on their terms ... and that's why your sorry arse is alive and well and looking for clients.

Anybody who supports "summarily executing" people is no better than a terrorist.

It seems that this thread has exposed a few terrorist sympathisers already.

I'm sure more will reveal themselves as the day progresses.

so off you go supporting terrorism yet again. is there a single principled bone in your body?

No. I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

I also deplore summary executions.

By calling for summary executions, you have revealed to everyone this morning that you are no better than a terrorist.

You are a true terrorist sympathiser, and Herbie seems to support you.

I'm sure more of your kind will reveal themselves as the day progresses.

which part of 'knee-jerk reaction' do you not understand???

'knee-jerk reaction' ? Fine. At least you admit to that.

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

Glad we're finally in agreement on something.

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Reply #19 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am

What's the betting the hostage takers have nice, 'moderate' Muslim parents who are appalled at this turn of events ... confirming why Muslim immigration should be stopped because there is no quarantine process that can identify which of the immigrant Carriers of the Islamic cultural gene is going to produce a jihadi killer in later years.

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Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:22am

First the obligatory disclaimer:- Not all Muslims are like that.....

Having posted the obligatory disclaimer, I will now offer this:-

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25772892/sydney-siege-hostages-taken-at-martin-place...

Image is of police outside the cafe - my not post.. or link...

"A number of hostages have been taken in a siege in Sydney's CBD.

At least three people can be seen with their hands raised through the windows of a cafe in Martin Place.

A black flag with Arabic text has also been seen hanging in the window of the Lindt Chocolat Cafe.

Dozens of heavily-armed police officers have flooded the area.

Witnesses have reported hearing loud bangs that sounded like gun shots.

One block of Martin Place has been cordoned off between Elizabeth Street and Phillip Street.

Police have urged members of the public to avoid the area.

The Channel Seven newsroom opposite the cafe has been evacuated.

Seven producer Patrick Byrne said staff at the network watched the situation unfold.

"We raced to the window and saw the shocking and chilling sight of people putting their hands up against the panes of glass at the cafe," he said.

"This was just extraordinary.

"Then, as we were looking wondering what was going on, it seemed to be like an armed hold-up, more police arrived at Martin Place.

"The area was cleared. People were kept back.

"It was then that gasps went through the newsroom as an ISIS flag was put up against one of the window panes."

Elleanor Gillard, who works in the same building as the cafe, said police have told them to stay inside and away from the doors.

"We've just been notifying everyone on the floors above - I'm on the ground - not to come down in the lift because the lifts open up right in the foyer between us and Lindt [Chocolat Cafe]," she said.

She said she saw a look of terror on the faces of two hostages who appeared to have been forced up against the glass.

"I'm just thinking about the guys in Lindt - the people we see everyday, go in and buy our coffee from them - and I'm sure they're terrified. It must be horrible for them."

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Reply #22 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Let me repeat: I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

That includes Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, blacks, whites, Asians, women, men, etc.

When I say "all", I mean all.

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Reply #23 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

Sydney siege: reports of hostage situation inside Martin Place cafe

A GUNMAN is reportedly holding people hostage at a cafe in Sydney’s Martin Place.
Channel 7 reported that an armed man is holding hostages at the Lindt Chocolate cafe, opposite the broadcaster’s Martin Place studios.
A NSW Police spokeswoman told Guardian Australia police were responding to an “unfolding” situation in Martin Place.
She would not confirm social media reports that a gunman was in the area, merely that it was an “ongoing operation.”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-...
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ISIL Flag in window of cafe, is on most TV channels now!

The ISIL flag statement originally came from the TV channels, but they have now changed their story and they are saying it isn't an ISIL flag.

However, the TV channels are till saying the flag is a jihadist flag.

Yes, they like to focus on the "important" things (things, that is, that will look good on the 6 o'clock "news" bulletin).

Meanwhile, police (rightly so) are concerned with getting the hostages out of there safely, and are not that bothered with a worthless piece of rag.

not worthless at all. it immediately indicates who and what are behind it and the likely outcome. these clowns are happy to die and take others with them. the flag is PRICELESS information. POlice now know that negotiation will fail and only an assault will work.

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Reply #24 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:28am

IF this is a terrorist act - it is long overdue and is expected. Now what remains is for the authorities to work out how best to handle it and deliver the facts and live hostages.

If any hostage is killed, mandatory life without .. and we need a good Devil's Island. If no hostages are killed I say life with a maybe...... and deportation to whoever is their enemy in Sandland.....

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Reply #25 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Let me repeat: I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

That includes Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, blacks, whites, Asians, women, men, etc.

When I say "all", I mean all.

but you water that down by including in your definition of terrorism such frightening acts as graffiti.

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Reply #26 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:32am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Let me repeat: I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

That includes Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, blacks, whites, Asians, women, men, etc.

When I say "all", I mean all.

but you water that down by including in your definition of terrorism such frightening acts as graffiti.

No, that's not my definition and I don't agree with it.

I cited the FBI stats, and in those stats they include graffiti attacks.

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Reply #27 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:34am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.
That includes ... Muslims

He actually said it. I can't believe it. Careful greggy, the party faithful will have your head. Hopefully I can fix things before they do -- quick, edit the post to say that it is never, ever the fault of any muslim. Ever.

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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Reply #28 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:34am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:26am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:15am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

Sydney siege: reports of hostage situation inside Martin Place cafe

A GUNMAN is reportedly holding people hostage at a cafe in Sydney’s Martin Place.
Channel 7 reported that an armed man is holding hostages at the Lindt Chocolate cafe, opposite the broadcaster’s Martin Place studios.
A NSW Police spokeswoman told Guardian Australia police were responding to an “unfolding” situation in Martin Place.
She would not confirm social media reports that a gunman was in the area, merely that it was an “ongoing operation.”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-...
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ISIL Flag in window of cafe, is on most TV channels now!

The ISIL flag statement originally came from the TV channels, but they have now changed their story and they are saying it isn't an ISIL flag.

However, the TV channels are till saying the flag is a jihadist flag.

Yes, they like to focus on the "important" things (things, that is, that will look good on the 6 o'clock "news" bulletin).

Meanwhile, police (rightly so) are concerned with getting the hostages out of there safely, and are not that bothered with a worthless piece of rag.

not worthless at all. it immediately indicates who and what are behind it and the likely outcome.

No, it doesn't.

All it indicates is that they have a flag.

Stop focusing on a worthless piece of rag, and turn your attention to the hostages and the terrorists.

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Reply #29 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:40am

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.
That includes ... Muslims

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/N4vIBijzg4w/maxresdefault.jpg

He actually said it. I can't believe it. Careful greggy, the party faithful will have your head. Hopefully I can fix things before they do -- quick, edit the post to say that it is never, ever the fault of any muslim. Ever.

I'm not sure why you are so surprised.

Perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else.

I've always condemned all acts of terrorism, no matter who the perpetrators are.

Moreover, I have always maintained that Islam is a "particularly silly religion".

Early stages yet though, so I'm not linking the two in this instance. My primary concern is seeing the hostages safely released and the terrorists captured. If people want to discuss their religion, skin colour, eye colour, sexual preferences, etc later on, then I'll leave that up to them.

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