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Reply #30 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:40am:

skin colour

I'm sure that'll get a lot of airtime - obliquely, though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

All it indicates is that they have a flag.

And presumably think it's one to rally behind? Flags may be worthless pieces of rag, but their value is in their symbolic meaning. That's why people get excited about burning flags -- to them, the flag represents x or y. The logical inference is that, by displaying this flag (presumably not there before), the perpetrators are identifying themselves with what they understand the flag to represent.

In short, they're saying -- hey, we're the nasty flavour of muslim, not the nice one. Please come and relieve us of our lives, we'd rather get to our virgins asap.

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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Reply #31 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am

Abbott's jumped on the bandwagon convening a meeting of the National Security Committee in Cabinet, and telling us that he had convened it. Duh. I feel much better knowing of that.

What a Godsend this is for Abbott and Hockey, taking the national focus away from what will be a disastrous budget update due shortly after noon.

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Reply #33 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:50am

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Abbott's jumped on the bandwagon convening a meeting of the National Security Committee in Cabinet, and telling us that he had convened it. Duh. I feel much better knowing of that.

What a Godsend this is for Abbott and Hockey, taking the national focus away from what will be a disastrous budget update due shortly after noon.

I wonder if there are any flag purchases on Abbott's or Hockey's credit card in the last few days.

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Reply #34 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:51am

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Abbott's jumped on the bandwagon convening a meeting of the National Security Committee in Cabinet, and telling us that he had convened it. Duh. I feel much better knowing of that.

What a Godsend this is for Abbott and Hockey, taking the national focus away from what will be a disastrous budget update due shortly after noon.

yeah like wheres BILL I notice no one mentions him in a crisis.. Grin

and wheres wishy washy... he likes NICE PEOPLE doesnt he.. I am sure they will turn cartwheels if wishy turns up.. Angry

I am sure those with their hands on the windows are thinking what NICE PEOPLE these are Angry

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Reply #36 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:52am

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. Grin

Which post are you referring to?

Which culprits and which post?

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Reply #37 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Abbott's jumped on the bandwagon convening a meeting of the National Security Committee in Cabinet, and telling us that he had convened it. Duh. I feel much better knowing of that.

What a Godsend this is for Abbott and Hockey, taking the national focus away from what will be a disastrous budget update due shortly after noon.

I wonder if there are any flag purchases on Abbott's or Hockey's credit card in the last few days.

not WHITE FLAGS though I am sure shortarse is under his desk in his bunker. waving the WHITE one he inherited from kruddy & Co.. Grin

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Reply #38 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:52am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. Grin

is it or is it not muslims ?

1. We don't know yet.

2. Their religion doesn't matter - it's the act of terrorism that's a major concern.

3. If they tun out to be Muslims it means that this was an Islamic attack. It does not, however, mean that all attacks are Islamic or that all Muslims support the attack.

Turn your thoughts to the unfortunate hostages, and stop wasting time thinking about side issues such as faith and flags.

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Reply #39 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. Grin

is it or is it not muslims ?

What is? Do you have any proof that the perpetrators are in fact Muslims? Anybody can buy a flag and hang it in the window.

Even if they are Muslims, why do you assume they are actually either (a) observant or (b) following the mainstream interpretation of that religion?

Your bias and bigotry is well known Sprint. You are an Islamophobe. You will I expect blame all Muslims for this in your usual idiot idea of Collective Guilt. Grin

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Reply #40 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:55am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Let me repeat: I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

That includes Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, blacks, whites, Asians, women, men, etc.

When I say "all", I mean all.

but you water that down by including in your definition of terrorism such frightening acts as graffiti.

No, that's not my definition and I don't agree with it.

I cited the FBI stats, and in those stats they include graffiti attacks.

oh you agree with it when it suits your argument.

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Reply #42 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:48am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:19am:

Why is it not surprising to see the usual culprits blaming all Muslims for the acts of a tiny minority? Guilt by Association, the usual line for bigots and 'phobes. Grin

is it or is it not muslims ?

What is? Do you have any proof that the perpetrators are in fact Muslims? Anybody can buy a flag and hang it in the window.

Even if they are Muslims, why do you assume they are actually either (a) observant or (b) following the mainstream interpretation of that religion?

Your bias and bigotry is well known Sprint. You are an Islamophobe. You will I expect blame all Muslims for this in your usual idiot idea of Collective Guilt. Grin

are you dumb or what??? an ISIS flag in the window and you don't think they are muslims??

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #43 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:57am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

So, we both deplore all forms of terrorism and both want to see all terrorists and their supporters rounded up, put before the courts, and then sent to jail.

So, in answer to my earlier question, do you still hold this view if the terrorists are professing muslims?

Let me repeat: I deplore all acts of terrorism, and all terrorists.

That includes Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists, blacks, whites, Asians, women, men, etc.

When I say "all", I mean all.

but you water that down by including in your definition of terrorism such frightening acts as graffiti.

No, that's not my definition and I don't agree with it.

I cited the FBI stats, and in those stats they include graffiti attacks.

oh you agree with it when it suits your argument.

No.

If you go back to that particular thread you will see that I clearly stated that you could remove all of the graffiti attacks from the list if you wanted to.

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Reply #44 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:57am

fezz wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 10:56am:

Why didn't these dudes just do what the majority of Islamic terrorists do, that is just be suicide bombers. That is how they create the most fear with greatest impact...I reckon these dudes are rank amateurs...or on someones payroll.

Gee, you are not suggesting that Credlin and the PMO is involved in this are you?

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