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Reply #315 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

My friend's husband had 3 police cars and a paddywagon watch him eat his lunch today in an Artarmon café because the frightened woman behind the counter called the police after he'd ordered. My friend is muscular and has a beard. And he's a Muslim. They drew quite a crowd. This guy is an upstanding member of the community.

What's happening in Martin Place is scary, but as of now, we don't know what's exactly going on. It's far better to be part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. There are consequences for preaching hatred and they usually fall on those who least deserve it. It's important to act like the society we want to live in.

That is very sad, Annie.

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Reply #316 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

yes ... but when the anti-gun crusade devolved into setting in place any number of laws that permitted the state to CREATE criminals of ordinary citizens - the whole thing became dangerous to society and remains so.

Wee Johnnie and the implementers of such laws (small 'l' deliberate) have much to answer for - it's called reducing the populace under despotism...

If this happened in some parts of the USA you could have 10-12 out of 30 hostages licensed for concealed carry with a pistol and carrying,if there is only 1 offender it would have been over hours ago.

Statistics show those licensed for concealed carry have far lower offending rates for crimes compared to those not licensed for concealed carry.

True.... it's a question of whether or not a government trusts its own people .. which ipso facto means that if they do not, the people do not trust that government.... and with good reason....

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85381 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #317 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:55pm ian wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:51pm: Is this still going? Sydney coppers, what are they waiting for. Get in there and off this prick. Heeey ! I'm the one advocating 'softly, softly, catchee tiger'.... violence is the last resort......
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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #318 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

probably homegrown fools ...

Precisely my thoughts, too. Hanging a flag up indicates that it's ideologically motivated. Classic amateur attack.

A couple of young idiots who will hopefully pee their pants and come running out of the shop, hands raised, sooner rather than later.

He's balding and middle aged, from what I saw.

I'm guessing mentally ill and acting alone. It just looks weird. He looks agitated, he has the wrong flag and his backpack looks ridiculous for some reason.

Well, that's no good. Please, someone drill this fool with some hot lead. Where's ole Lionel when you need him?

Right here.

And I've only just started to listen to the biggest show since Cats.

And I'll tell ya somethin' for nothin':

If the media has been able to establish that this is a middle-aged guy with a black headscarf and backpack - his forehead is already in someone's sights. If someone had given the go, this guy would already be headless.

From the little I've gleaned, they don't know if he's acting alone - and a backpack is always a worry. It could possibly contain explosives and a 'dead man' switch.

He's got to tired eventually and, if he doesn't come out soon, I fear for the consequences.

One thing for sure, it'll do the Muslim cause no good at all. That flag says it all.

Whatever, he faces a shite-storm either way.

I feel, and fear, for the hostages.

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Toughen up, Australia!

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #319 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:59pm How many hostages are there now? What will they charge this guy with? Costing thousands of public dollars and causing a nuisance? Some old bugger making a scene? http://www.abc.net.au/news/
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Reply #320 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:00pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

What's happening in Martin Place is scary, but as of now, we don't know what's exactly going on. It's far better to be part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. There are consequences for preaching hatred.

So what is the solution for these fundamental muslims?

Are the bearded nutjobs who preach Islam to the gullible part of the problem?

As Tarek Fatah pointed out imams should be charged with inciting hatred.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #321 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm

Neferti wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

How many hostages are there now?

What will they charge this guy with? Costing thousands of public dollars and causing a nuisance?

Some old bugger making a scene?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/

Police say they don't know the exact number of hostages, but it's less than 30.. five have escaped or been released... not sure.

Charges? Deprivation of liberty, engaging in an act of terrorism.. I say 25 to life.... or a mental institution.....

At one time kidnapping in the US meant the gas chamber....

I'm waiting for sunset and darkness.......

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #322 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

My friend's husband had 3 police cars and a paddywagon watch him eat his lunch today in an Artarmon café because the frightened woman behind the counter called the police after he'd ordered. My friend is muscular and has a beard. And he's a Muslim. They drew quite a crowd. This guy is an upstanding member of the community.

What's happening in Martin Place is scary, but as of now, we don't know what's exactly going on. It's far better to be part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. There are consequences for preaching hatred and they usually fall on those who least deserve it. It's important to act like the society we want to live in.

That is very sad, Annie.

It's more than that. Its harassment if they left after discovering the call was a crank call. Unless he had ordered a ham sandwich.

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Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #323 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:02pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

My friend's husband had 3 police cars and a paddywagon watch him eat his lunch today in an Artarmon café because the frightened woman behind the counter called the police after he'd ordered. My friend is muscular and has a beard. And he's a Muslim. They drew quite a crowd. This guy is an upstanding member of the community.

What's happening in Martin Place is scary, but as of now, we don't know what's exactly going on. It's far better to be part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. There are consequences for preaching hatred and they usually fall on those who least deserve it. It's important to act like the society we want to live in.

its disappointing but nor surprising and it is understandable. he fits the profile of how terrorists are viewed. Perhaps if muslims were far more pro-active at denouncing terrorism rather than holding protests agains the arrest of terrorists they might not be treated so suspiciously.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #324 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Here, cods.. try this:-

http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/sas-operations/iranian-embassy...

"With all hostages secured, the reserve teams were brought in to assist in bringing them out. Troopers lined the central staircase as each hostage was roughly bundled down the stairs and out the rear doors to the back garden. Half way down the stairs, a terrorist was spotted amongst the hostages. He had a Russian assault grenade gripped tightly in his hand. Unable to open fire without risking hitting the hostages or other troopers, one SAS man clouted the terrorist with his MP5 stock. As soon as the man hit the floor at the base of the stairs, several SAS troopers opened fire, killing the man instantly.

Once outside, the hostages were all handcuffed and made to lay down. A quick head count revealed that there were too many hostages. The BBC sound man, Sim Harris identified another terrorist who was masquerading as a hostage. It's said that one SAS trooper separated the terrorist and led him back into the embassy, presumably to finish him off. Colleagues with cooler heads prevented him from doing so and the terrorist was properly arrested. Fowzi Nejad, the only surviving terrorist, was later sentenced to life imprisonment for his part in the siege. "

if I had been a hostage there I wouldnt complain about the treatment. saving my life will generally mean I am less concerned with some short-term discomfort and even suspicion.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #326 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:05pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

yes ... but when the anti-gun crusade devolved into setting in place any number of laws that permitted the state to CREATE criminals of ordinary citizens - the whole thing became dangerous to society and remains so.

Wee Johnnie and the implementers of such laws (small 'l' deliberate) have much to answer for - it's called reducing the populace under despotism...

If this happened in some parts of the USA you could have 10-12 out of 30 hostages licensed for concealed carry with a pistol and carrying,if there is only 1 offender it would have been over hours ago.

Statistics show those licensed for concealed carry have far lower offending rates for crimes compared to those not licensed for concealed carry.

and you think letting EVERYONE carry a gun will reduce crime?

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #327 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:06pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

I've been watching.... too many cops took their eyes off the front when the hostages arrived and cuddled them instead.... especially the women...that's for the boys at the back.. not the front...

And those frontline guys should be rotated every fifteen minutes...

Well said.

I was surprised there wasn't a reception committee on standby to move immediately if any hostages were released.

It was a tactical error on the part of the frontline police to lower their guns and take on the role of paramedics.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #328 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:08pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:04pm: Plenty of comment from Muslims today against this guy and this type of action. but will it be condemned from the pulpit? will it be openly stated as being anti-Koran? Sadly, no.
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Reply #329 - Dec 15^th, 2014 at 7:09pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

No - attention span....... too long of nothing happening makes them unwary.... I didn't mean cuddling like that..... more like taking your mind off the job to comfort some hysterical sheila who should be cheering that she's out.... any distraction can be dangerous.

Leave the comforting to those at the back, watch your front and keep your eye out for your mate who is in front of you.... in the hot seat.

Correct.

The frontline police were distracted from the job they are there to do.

Heads should roll.

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