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Reply #435 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:52am
 
red baron wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:40am:
Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.


they need to start changing laws now and change them fast while the Apologist have gone hiding under their beds hiding in shame for supporting these types of criminals..

apologists like pekkery, ian, john smith, Laugh till you cry ...

you know the ones on here.. the ones promoting Hate Speech...  Angry
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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #436 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:55am
 
red baron wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:40am:
Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.


I'll go with the cops being incredibly stupid and dumb.  a single head shot was possible twelve hours earlier.    the ROE need to change such that if you take hostages and you are armed that you  forfeit your right to live and lethal force will be used at the FIRST opportunity.  if they had done that there would be no innocent deaths.  and all this has doen is shown other muslim nutters that police wont shoot first.  next time, SHOOT FIRST.

perhaps the FBI needs to send its HRT quad down here to teach our police commanders that having trained snipers is no use if you don't actually use them.

pitiful police response.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #437 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:56am
 
red baron wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:40am:
Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem.

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

hear hear they would have been exhausted ....

well done boys...you made me proud...

lets hope when next Abbott wants a conference on security in this country... all those Muslim leaders who thought it singled out muslims so therefore was unacceptable may now come to the table...

this has done more harm to Muslims.. than putting real culprits in prison will ever do..... surely even they can see that...

this man by the look of his record should have been in jail...but because of the constant backlash we are afraid to do that....


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Reply #438 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:09am
 
I am so shocked waking up to this tragedy.  I can only imagine what the families of the two people who got violently taken away from them.   I was crying, this is so terrible! 

In the face of adversity, we must stand together, not divide, not to look for scapegoats.  Otherwise, the terrorist would have won already.
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Reply #439 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:10am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:12am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:15am:
I'm more interested in trying to analyse the events.... and find answers.


This would never have happened if a 'liberal-progressive' Leftwing-luvvie of a 'New Age' judge hadn't released him back into the community on bail despite a string of serious charges against him.

"Iranian cleric Man Haron Monis is the man police believe was behind the siege at the Lindt Chocolate Cafe in Sydney's Martin Place.

Monis, who was granted political asylum in Australia, was on bail for a string of violent offences, including being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife.

He was also facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges and had a conviction for sending offensive letters to families of deceased Australian soldiers".


It's obvious that those in charge of protecting the public's safety from delinquent Muslims are more concerned with appeasing those who pose a risk than locking them up.

This Muslim was granted political asylum, and then proceeded to write 'offensive letters' to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.

The judges didn't jail him.

The government didn't deport him.

Conclusion: In no way are the authorities taking the threat of terrorism seriously.

It's impossible to reconcile the 'Hands-Off' attitude of the government and the courts towards this fellow, and assurances that they're "Doing all we can to ensure public safety".

Two innocent people have died because the criminal court didn't do it's job by jailing this loose cannon, and the Minister for Immigration didn't have him deported after he was caught sending cruel letters to the relatives of deceased soldiers.

I hope the families of the two deceased sue the balls off the government and the judiciary for their criminal negligence in not dealing properly with this Muslim at the time he first showed himself to be an Islamic wacko.

We're going to hear a lot of soft-cock apologist platitudes about "Let's not play the blame game".

It's precisely what needs to be done if lessons are to be learnt from this.

If an American pitbull terrier that has a history of aggressive actions against people is still allowed to wander the streets as a menace and a potential danger to public safety, then of course the magistrate or judge is wholly responsible for what may then occur.

And in this case, even the government knew of this nutter's potential to become a lethal problem at some future time.







Threats are laughed at by the authorities: thats why stalkers get away with destroying family members and consequently families forever until someone  takes drastic measure... mental institutions just release complete scum and they buy and sell drugs with their massive dole payments to easily buy their way out of restraining orders and it's just a mess... then you've got your dodgy doctors handing out the meds when finances are low as a back for the continuing saga of sadness...

There are many weak points to the system we live in and you are right to point them out !!
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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #440 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:12am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:16am:
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we continue to seek truth brother being ..


Many bessings.

You do not seek truth, you blindly jump to conclusions without any facts.

You are a troll.

Forgiven.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #441 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:12am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:19am:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:25am:
How he died?

Well.. it was reported that he had what 'appears to be a pump action shotgun'...

> there were several (4-5) loud single blasts...

>  followed by masses of automatic gunfire apparently as police entered...

>  I would suggest he retreated or took shelter, since there were ongoing bursts of automatic fire for many seconds.

I'd say he died of about a magazine full of 5.56mm rounds.

Claims that he was some kind of cleric appear to be false and self-assumed, and he has a lengthy criminal record.  I would suggest he is as much a cleric as I am (not at all)...

Obviously he was a nutter, though I am certain that Allah will not look kindly on the murder of innocents.



I appreciate your levelheaded and informative posts. I wish they'd stop saying cleric - it's dishonest and divisive.



I guess you'd prefer catholic priest.....but he wasnt was he?? He was a raghead muslim criminal who has caused mayhem in our country and caused the death of two innocent people we dont like him.
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Reply #442 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:14am
 
red baron wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:40am:
... those who were brutally murdered.



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Reply #443 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:17am
 
"Iranian “refugee”, Manteghi Bourjerdi (AKA Sheik Man Haron Monis, pictured), walked free on bail into the Lindt cafe and left his filthy, indelible mark on Australia.

Last year Penrith Local Court Magistrate, Darryl Pearce, gave the unhinged Iranian cleric, along with his accomplice, bail despite being charged with accessory to the murder of his ex wife and setting her on fire, hand delivering filthy letters to widows of fallen Australian soldiers and 40 counts of sexual assault.

If you’re a mad Muslim supporting ISIS and Al Queda and up on the most heinous of multiple charges it appears that Australia is the place to be.

The Left leaning judiciary can claim responsibility for almost forty murders committed since 1980 by people either set free on bail, given ridiculously low sentences or where parole boards had released those deemed “likely to re-offend” back into the community.

Australia not only offers free money and a wonderful lifestyle to its Islamic refugees, it offers them freedom to molest Aussie women and children, freedom to threaten our lives, freedom to give comfort to our enemies and free legal aid to keep them out of jail".


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This has nothing to do with Australian culture, ethos, heritage, or national identity.

It's a 7th century throwback.

It's alien, divisive (thank you Annie) - and runs totally contrary to our every instinct as citizens of a 21st century First World western nation.

It doesn't belong here. It's why countries have borders.

And yet still the politically criminal swine who rule the Anglosphere are sponsoring the immigration of these aliens who are building for themselves a parallel community within our own homeland nationhood.

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Reply #444 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:19am
 
red baron wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:40am:
Paradise Lost - Australia will never be the same.

Already 'Sheik' Man Haron Monis is being labelled as a lone rogue. This may be the case however ISIS has called for an International Jihadist against Western Countries in particular. This is now living evidence that this is happening.

Australia must reflect heavily on this tragedy and decide just how we are going to approach the Muslim problem and it is a hugely growing problem. (I am not in any way labelling all Muslims as terrorists just the hard liners)

My heart goes out to the relatives to all who were involved in this siege and to the families of those who were brutally murdered.

The cops who went in, were incredibly brave, straight into the line of fire, God bless them all.

Fair call: austrlalia will never be the same.
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Reply #445 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:27am
 
It looks that critical level of Muslim population has been reached what jeopardize security in Australia.
To overcome this problem the authorities should start deporting Muslims to Saudi Arabia and allow strictly non Muslim migration.
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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
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Reply #446 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:27am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:14am:
red baron wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:40am:
... those who were brutally murdered.



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what?  you are questioning that they were murdered??
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Reply #447 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:30am
 
lol, rush in without a plan... good idea: i wish i voted liberal and pretended i was hardcore into faith!
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Reply #448 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:32am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:27am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:14am:
red baron wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 6:40am:
... those who were brutally murdered.



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what?  you are questioning that they were murdered??



I've seen no confirmation of who killed them.

Were they killed by the police, or the terrorist?

"It is not clear if the two hostages who died, a man aged 34 and a woman aged 38, were shot by the gunman or killed in the crossfire."

If the police killed them, I wouldn't call it murder.

They certainly acted poorly, but calling them murderers is going a bit too far.
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Reply #449 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:32am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:09am:
I am so shocked waking up to this tragedy.  I can only imagine what the families of the two people who got violently taken away from them.   I was crying, this is so terrible! 

In the face of adversity, we must stand together, not divide, not to look for scapegoats.  Otherwise, the terrorist would have won already. 


Dear O dear O dear .... not look for 'scapegoats'.

How about we look for those who are responsible for not having deported this Muslim 'refugee' (from Iran?) ...  at the time he demonstrated his animosity towards non-Muslim Australians?

How about we identify which judge or magistrate thought it was appropriate to let this Muslim back onto the street under bail conditions?



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