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Reply #555 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:35pm
 
Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis was released from custody on bail six days after controversial changes to the state's bail laws came into effect in May.

The NSW government has called for an investigation into why Monis "slipped through the cracks" of the judicial system and was released from custody.

It follows calls for the government to fast-track stricter bail laws in light of the tragedy.

Monis, who was shot dead by police in the early hours of Tuesday morning, was before the courts on two separate and serious matters: more than 40 sexual assault charges involving seven alleged victims and as an accessory to the murder of his former wife.

NSW Attorney-General Brad Hazzard said on Tuesday that stricter bail laws would take effect at the end of January, and it was "very unlikely" that Monis would have been released on bail had those rules been in place.

"This government changed the Bail Act to ensure greater safety for our community. It was changed to ensure that offenders involved in serious crime will not get bail," he said.

The Herald can reveal that Monis was initially refused bail on April 14 after being charged with three sexual assault offences allegedly committed against a woman in 2002.


He appeared in Kogarah Local Court under the name Mohammad Hassan Manteghi where magistrate Christine Haskett refused bail.

At the time, Monis was already on conditional bail granted on December 12, 2013. He had been charged with being an accessory before and after the fact to the murder of his former wife Noleen Hayson Pal in April 2013.

Monis did not apply for bail when he appeared in Parramatta Local Court on April 16 and continued to be remanded in custody.

On May 20, the state government introduced sweeping changes to bail laws, removing the decades old presumption against bail for a suite of serious offences.

Magistrates and judges were now to use a two-step test as to whether the accused posed an "unacceptable risk" of reoffending and whether the risk could be mitigated by bail conditions.

On May 26, Monis was granted bail at Parramatta Local Court by magistrate Joan Baptie.


Ms Baptie said she had identified two "unacceptable risks" – that Monis may endanger the safety of victims, individuals or the community, and that he may interfere with witnesses or evidence.

However, the magistrate granted him conditional bail, and reinstated the conditions placed on him in December 2013, including daily reporting to Campsie police station, surrendering his passport, not going within 500 metres of a point of overseas departure and not contacting "the prosecution witness".

Monis had to find a person to deposit $10,000 cash and was ordered to reside at an address in Wiley Park.

His partner, Amirah Droudis, was charged with Ms Pal's murder and was granted bail on the same conditions, although with a $100,000 surety.

Following the grant of bail in a series of high-profile cases including those of bikies Mahmoud "Mick" Hawi, Hassan "Sam" Ibrahim and accused wife-killer Steven Fesus, the Baird government announced in August that the laws would be toughened.

The changes come into effect on January 28, 2015; they include a revised test under which an accused person who is assessed as an "unacceptable risk" will be refused bail.

For serious offences, the onus will be on the accused to "show cause" why their detention in custody is not justified.

On October 10, Monis was charged with a further 40 sexual assault charges against six women. They included 22 counts of aggravated sexual assault, 14 counts of aggravated indecent assault, one count of aggravated act of indecency, one count of sexual assault and two counts of assault with act of indecency. The women were visiting him at Wentworthville where he was offering services as a "spiritual healer". His bail was continued by magistrate Dorelle Pinch.

He was due to appear in Penrith Local Court on Friday, December 12, but this date was vacated and changed to February 27, 2015.

On Tuesday, Mr Hazzard said the government would ask state and federal agencies to examine "how this offender slipped through the cracks".

"How did this offender not come to the attention of state and federal agencies ... what exactly did they miss?" he said.

Julia Quilter, senior lecturer at the University of Wollongong's School of Law said, under the "unacceptable risk" model, the magistrate hearing Monis' bail application could have refused bail, but chose to grant it.

"In retrospect we should have had alarm bells ringing about his unacceptable risks," she said.

"But the magistrate can't gaze into a crystal ball and know what's going to happen in the future."

Former NSW DPP Nicholas Cowdery said the new amendments would not have made any difference in Monis' case because the magistrate and the police were not aware of the "dark and evil" thoughts he must have been secretly harbouring.

"You can't legislate to deal with that. It doesn't matter how much you muck around with the laws, there are still going to be occasions - hopefully rare - where the justice system cannot see into the deep psyche of such a person."

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Reply #556 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:40pm
 

"... more than 40 sexual assault charges involving seven alleged victims and as an accessory to the murder of his former wife."

Out on bail?

Simply unbelievable.

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Reply #557 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:46pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:12am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:16am:
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we continue to seek truth brother being ..


Many bessings.

You do not seek truth, you blindly jump to conclusions without any facts.

You are a troll.

Forgiven.


you are forgiven for slander

with so very much love as the truth shall continue to be revealed

without your approval

so be at peace

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Reply #558 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:49pm
 
I'm very sorry for what happened in your country today guys.  From my vista across the pond, you seem to be a peaceful people and unaccustomed to violence like this.  While you will surely ask yourselves why this happened and how you can prevent it from happening again, I hope you will not allow it to change who you are.

Our hatred and desire for revenge post 9/11 led us down a path of decadency I really don't think we'll ever recover from.  We have become renowned war mongers, spies, torturers and have sacrificed the values of liberty and transparency to appease our anger against others.  In the end, the weapons we developed to fortify our freedom have been turned on us to destroy it.  Every email is read, every call recorded; warrantless searches; checkpoints that aren't at the border; police officers that murder civilians weekly on camera and walk free; trigger-happy SWAT teams raiding barbershops in poor neighborhoods simply to verify barber's licenses; and even the smallest towns now have armored vehicles and arms from Iraq that the local police are now beginning to deploy to address misdemeanors and  collect fines. 

You do not want this to become your daily reality.  You *must not* allow this man to convince you to destroy yourselves.  People will seize on this opportunity to try to barter your freedom for your security.  Don't fall for it.  They'll call you "traitors" and "anti-Aussie" and other nasty things.  The more they talk, the more stubborn and noisy you need to get.  Shout them down.  Don't even let them *set foot* on that slippery slope. 

Secondly, I am warning you, as a black man living in this buggered-up, sadistic, evil, twisted, racist American society: hatred is like a cancer -- it is slow and budding at first, but quietly, it consumes everything you are, spreading from place to place until it kills the very organism that hosts it.  I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad.  And at the core of it is that same budding hatred -- all of it's ugliness and viciousness tucked deep, deep down where it will ferment until it is bursting at the seams.  Hatred will only beget more hatred, and not just from those your nation mistreats.  It never stops there.  When you practice lack of compassion, you'll eventually lose it for each other.   
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Reply #559 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:49pm
 
Aren't you lucky you live here Gregg and not in the Middle East. If those nasty little ISIS people got hold of you, you wouldn't be long for this world. Gay pride doesn't rate too high with Islam.
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Reply #565 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:22pm:
all they need is one tiny excuse...




Bingo.  Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.



That is presumptive and not even likely to be true.  Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.
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Reply #566 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:22pm:
all they need is one tiny excuse...




Bingo.  Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.




you dont read too well do you.. Cheesy

thats what I said... they dont have colour or religion or language....

they are usually full of hate....something isnt going their way...BOOM.. havent you ever noticed how some,on here have those problems....if someone disagrees with them they go on and on and on and on and on..

just as well they dont have a red button on their computers... Wink Wink
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Reply #567 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
AYanker wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:49pm:
I'm very sorry for what happened in your country today guys.  From my vista across the pond, you seem to be a peaceful people and unaccustomed to violence like this.  While you will surely ask yourselves why this happened and how you can prevent it from happening again, I hope you will not allow it to change who you are.

Our hatred and desire for revenge post 9/11 led us down a path of decadency I really don't think we'll ever recover from.  We have become renowned war mongers, spies, torturers and have sacrificed the values of liberty and transparency to appease our anger against others.  In the end, the weapons we developed to fortify our freedom have been turned on us to destroy it.  Every email is read, every call recorded; warrantless searches; checkpoints that aren't at the border; police officers that murder civilians weekly on camera and walk free; trigger-happy SWAT teams raiding barbershops in poor neighborhoods simply to verify barber's licenses; and even the smallest towns now have armored vehicles and arms from Iraq that the local police are now beginning to deploy to address misdemeanors and  collect fines. 

You do not want this to become your daily reality.  You *must not* allow this man to convince you to destroy yourselves.  People will seize on this opportunity to try to barter your freedom for your security.  Don't fall for it.  They'll call you "traitors" and "anti-Aussie" and other nasty things.  The more they talk, the more stubborn and noisy you need to get.  Shout them down.  Don't even let them *set foot* on that slippery slope. 

Secondly, I am warning you, as a black man living in this buggered-up, sadistic, evil, twisted, racist American society: hatred is like a cancer -- it is slow and budding at first, but quietly, it consumes everything you are, spreading from place to place until it kills the very organism that hosts it.  I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad.  And at the core of it is that same budding hatred -- all of it's ugliness and viciousness tucked deep, deep down where it will ferment until it is bursting at the seams.  Hatred will only beget more hatred, and not just from those your nation mistreats.  It never stops there.  When you practice lack of compassion, you'll eventually lose it for each other.   


No argument from me on any of that, whatsoever.  Well said Yank!
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Reply #568 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
Datalife wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 3:21pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 3:12pm:
Datalife wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:24pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:48pm:
Doesn't mean it's part of mainstream Islam Sprint.  Your mental illness is clouding your understanding.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Islam is not a monolith.  Cool



Not it isn't.  Never claimed it was.  However, that suggests there is multiple intepretations, now doesn't it?  Perhaps one of which is more "mainstream" than the others?    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


Totally agree. 



What?  OK, who are you and what have you done with the real Datalife?  What are your demands?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #569 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:18pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 11:34am:
So has Abbott made us safer from terrorism by bombing Iraq or less safe?



gosh when did Abbott declare WAR on IRAQ...??

last I read from there they were begging us to go back and were angry the West left when they did..

maybe we are not talking about the SAME IRAQ???????/????????????????????????????? Angry




Abbott started bombing Iraq in October.




you didnt mention date or use a link....gosh must get my army kit out... I might be needed..what about you lefties.. all under the beds nice and snug with your white flags...

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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