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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #570 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:34pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:12pm:

Datalife wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

Doesn't mean it's part of mainstream Islam Sprint. Your mental illness is clouding your understanding. Grin

Islam is not a monolith. Cool

Not it isn't. Never claimed it was. However, that suggests there is multiple intepretations, now doesn't it? Perhaps one of which is more "mainstream" than the others? Grin

Totally agree.

What? OK, who are you and what have you done with the real Datalife? What are your demands? Grin

It is a consistent position I hold. If someone claims that they are a Muslim or Christian whilst head hacking in furtherance of a religious duty I am happy to accept them at their word.

It is not me that runs at a million miles an hour saying things like "they are not a reeeaaalllllll muslim". It's not a distinction I, and no doubt those whose heads are being removed could be bothered to take. I leave that for the back pedaling trick cyclists. Cool

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ColdFact Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 359 Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #571 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:44pm AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm: I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad. No you don't see. Australia is an extremely racially tolerant and integrated country. What you see is a tiny window of bigots and racists pounding away at KWERTY keyboards..
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Reply #572 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:51pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

you dont read too well do you.. Cheesy

thats what I said... they dont have colour or religion or language....

Settle cods: I was agreeing with you.

That's why I started with "Bingo".

Bingo: "used to express satisfaction at a sudden positive event or outcome".

"a way to express a new idea, or an answer is correct."

"to do something with absolute accuracy"

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Reply #573 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:52pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

I'm very sorry for what happened in your country today guys. From my vista across the pond, you seem to be a peaceful people and unaccustomed to violence like this. While you will surely ask yourselves why this happened and how you can prevent it from happening again, I hope you will not allow it to change who you are.

Our hatred and desire for revenge post 9/11 led us down a path of decadency I really don't think we'll ever recover from. We have become renowned war mongers, spies, torturers and have sacrificed the values of liberty and transparency to appease our anger against others. In the end, the weapons we developed to fortify our freedom have been turned on us to destroy it. Every email is read, every call recorded; warrantless searches; checkpoints that aren't at the border; police officers that murder civilians weekly on camera and walk free; trigger-happy SWAT teams raiding barbershops in poor neighborhoods simply to verify barber's licenses; and even the smallest towns now have armored vehicles and arms from Iraq that the local police are now beginning to deploy to address misdemeanors and collect fines.

You do not want this to become your daily reality. You *must not* allow this man to convince you to destroy yourselves. People will seize on this opportunity to try to barter your freedom for your security. Don't fall for it. They'll call you "traitors" and "anti-Aussie" and other nasty things. The more they talk, the more stubborn and noisy you need to get. Shout them down. Don't even let them *set foot* on that slippery slope.

Secondly, I am warning you, as a black man living in this buggered-up, sadistic, evil, twisted, racist American society: hatred is like a cancer -- it is slow and budding at first, but quietly, it consumes everything you are, spreading from place to place until it kills the very organism that hosts it. I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad. And at the core of it is that same budding hatred -- all of it's ugliness and viciousness tucked deep, deep down where it will ferment until it is bursting at the seams. Hatred will only beget more hatred, and not just from those your nation mistreats. It never stops there. When you practice lack of compassion, you'll eventually lose it for each other.

No argument from me on any of that, whatsoever. Well said Yank!

really??? swat teams checking barber's licences? (which btw don't even exist). every email read? I think you swallowed a pile of BS rather too quickly.

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #574 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:53pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:18pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 11:34am:

So has Abbott made us safer from terrorism by bombing Iraq or less safe?

gosh when did Abbott declare WAR on IRAQ...??

last I read from there they were begging us to go back and were angry the West left when they did..

maybe we are not talking about the SAME IRAQ???????/????????????????????????????? Angry

Abbott started bombing Iraq in October.

you didnt mention date or use a link....gosh must get my army kit out... I might be needed..what about you lefties.. all under the beds nice and snug with your white flags...

8th October 2014

"Iraq conflict: Australian Super Hornet drops two bombs on Islamic State targets in Iraq"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-09/australian-super-hornet-drops-two-bombs-on...

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #575 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:56pm

AYanker wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

I'm very sorry for what happened in your country today guys. From my vista across the pond, you seem to be a peaceful people and unaccustomed to violence like this. While you will surely ask yourselves why this happened and how you can prevent it from happening again, I hope you will not allow it to change who you are.

Our hatred and desire for revenge post 9/11 led us down a path of decadency I really don't think we'll ever recover from. We have become renowned war mongers, spies, torturers and have sacrificed the values of liberty and transparency to appease our anger against others. In the end, the weapons we developed to fortify our freedom have been turned on us to destroy it. Every email is read, every call recorded; warrantless searches; checkpoints that aren't at the border; police officers that murder civilians weekly on camera and walk free; trigger-happy SWAT teams raiding barbershops in poor neighborhoods simply to verify barber's licenses; and even the smallest towns now have armored vehicles and arms from Iraq that the local police are now beginning to deploy to address misdemeanors and collect fines.

You do not want this to become your daily reality. You *must not* allow this man to convince you to destroy yourselves. People will seize on this opportunity to try to barter your freedom for your security. Don't fall for it. They'll call you "traitors" and "anti-Aussie" and other nasty things. The more they talk, the more stubborn and noisy you need to get. Shout them down. Don't even let them *set foot* on that slippery slope.

Secondly, I am warning you, as a black man living in this buggered-up, sadistic, evil, twisted, racist American society: hatred is like a cancer -- it is slow and budding at first, but quietly, it consumes everything you are, spreading from place to place until it kills the very organism that hosts it. I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad. And at the core of it is that same budding hatred -- all of it's ugliness and viciousness tucked deep, deep down where it will ferment until it is bursting at the seams. Hatred will only beget more hatred, and not just from those your nation mistreats. It never stops there. When you practice lack of compassion, you'll eventually lose it for each other.

Hi there havent seen you before and welcome..yes we have hit the world news for all the wrong reasons...which is the norm these days.. I agree for the most part with what you are saying.. I think if you can get a glimps of what is happening right now in Sydney where this took place you will a coming together people of all walks of life are there paying their respects.. there is not one sign of blame or HATE...just a sadness that is embracing everyone..perhaps it will also make your news.. I hope so.. we are a generous people we really are...we have our share of red necks and those who will never appreciate how lucky they are to live here..
like this man who hated the world by the sound of him...

but good will out live evil.. ayanker..dont ever give in to evil and HAte it is strong no doubt about that.. and I think thats the test we are set... to rise above it and conquer.. yes it does mean takingup arms sometimes...with those like ISIl words mean nothing...

if there is another way I am sure in time we will find it...

in the mean time.. dont let those who hate get to you..

I am sure there are more who love you

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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #576 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

Religion was the excuse he used yesterday.

He has an extensive list of criminal charges, and he was a nutter.

If Islam didn't exist, he would have used something else as an excuse to commit his crime yesterday.

Stop making excuses for criminals.

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Reply #578 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:51am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 15^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

Sydney siege: reports of hostage situation inside Martin Place cafe

A GUNMAN is reportedly holding people hostage at a cafe in Sydney’s Martin Place.
Channel 7 reported that an armed man is holding hostages at the Lindt Chocolate cafe, opposite the broadcaster’s Martin Place studios.
A NSW Police spokeswoman told Guardian Australia police were responding to an “unfolding” situation in Martin Place.
She would not confirm social media reports that a gunman was in the area, merely that it was an “ongoing operation.”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2014/dec/15/sydney-siege-reports-...
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ISIL Flag in window of cafe, is on most TV channels now!

time to summarily execute all ISIL members and jail all their supporters.

"summarily execute" ?

That's what terrorists do.

Let's just round them up and send them to jail, and not lower ourselves to their level.

yes you are right. Like everyone else (well most people anyhow) I am sick of ISIS and just want the bombings to quadruple and the ground troops to go in and annihilate them. and here in Oz, build a jail just for them and put all their supporters in there.

personally, I hope who ever is doing this siege comes out in a body bag.

ZERO TOLERANCE.

Well, you got your wish and then some. One would hope the lesson in this for you is be careful what you wish for...

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On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #579 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm What was the link to "terrorism" again?
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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place Reply #580 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm Flip page
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Reply #581 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

was it religion that made him kill his wife??[ alleged]

what about those 40 sexual charges... all in the name of religion???? Cheesy

he completely changed the Quran..to mean what he chose for it to mean... you seem to be one of those that thinks what he did was all in the name of ISLAM.. Angry

this guy was a fanatic...some one completely unreasonable he had made a decision about what he wanted and that was that... nothing would change his thinking...brainwashed I guess.

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Reply #582 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:10pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

red baron wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Aren't you lucky you live here Gregg and not in the Middle East. If those nasty little ISIS people got hold of you, you wouldn't be long for this world. Gay pride doesn't rate too high with Islam.

Settle down Red!

No need for that shiiiit!

Red likes to call people gay when he's backed into a corner.

For some reason, he thinks it's an insult.

(Just between you and me, I think it might be a fishing exercise)

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Reply #583 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:53pm:

8th October 2014

"Iraq conflict: Australian Super Hornet drops two bombs on Islamic State targets in Iraq"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-09/australian-super-hornet-drops-two-bombs-on.

oph you mean when he was ASKED by the powers in IRAQ for help..

you call that WAR I see..

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Reply #584 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 6:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:30pm:

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

all they need is one tiny excuse...

Bingo. Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.

That is presumptive and not even likely to be true. Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.

was it religion that made him kill his wife??[ alleged]

what about those 40 sexual charges... all in the name of religion???? Cheesy

Bingo! (That means I agree with you, cods).

He was a criminal.

People need to stop making excuses for criminals.

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