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Reply #660 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:16pm
 
Here we go again.....

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Reply #661 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:19pm
 
Don't know if anyone else has posted this, as freaking page will NOT turn.

But.....
Abbott was just on teev stating that one person MAY have been hit by friendly fire.

Will wait for confirmation.


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Reply #662 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:21pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:49pm:
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 8:15am:
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 8:11am:
Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing


why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.


Dear John (Oh how I hate to write...)  I'll let you go away and think about that  comment. 
Of course your rationale here is that lunatics -- even those reported to the government as having fake credentials and spreading anit-Islamic messages -- even those convicted of behaving offensively to Australian military personnel et al, even those recently advertising on their websites that that have converted to a radical persuasion; even those who have had a somewhat questionable relationship with the Iranian Intelligence and are wanted by Interpol; even those required to report to the police every day --  shouldn't be the concern of counter-terrorism experts -- that is until they are involved in acts of terrorism.  Is that it John?


exactly  ... good to see you keeping up



Sincerely
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Yes it's important to be able to discern an act of lunacy from a real-world situation. I've already expressed an interest in counter-terrorism consultancy -- looks like a piece of cake. You may find a vocation in counter-lunacy consultancy.  So what do you make of this guy; should he be on the watch list?








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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #663 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:28pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 2:27pm:
Bobby. wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:55pm:
Why was that freak let out on bail?


Because he was entitled to it, and if the NSW Attorney General was unhappy with the Magistrate's decision to bail, then he could have appealed.  That he did not appeal tells all.  Move on from  the 'bail' non issue, and ask why Abbott's spooks did not have this loonie on a very tight rein.  It's not as though they did not have the resources given the gazillions Abbott handed over to them recently.



Then the the NSW Attorney General  must resign in disgrace.
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Reply #664 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:28pm
 
99,999,999,999,999.
This will probably cop me an automated warning for spamming....

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Reply #665 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:42pm
 
I would suggest there are a few "unanswered" questions AND that we may never get answers!
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Reply #666 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:59pm
 
The press conference was a disgrace. It was a recreation of Jo Bjelke Petersons feed the chooks.

The Australian press are a blathering disgrace. No tough questions.
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Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me.
 
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Reply #667 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:08pm
 
Aussie, you also know that when I have been wrong I have fallen on my sword and apologised with out reservation.

All I can say is that I consider my source on this reliable.

I would hate to state something that would be wrong in such a matter as this. However for what it is worth, that is what I have been told went down. I have been told more but I am not saying anymore than this. I am only saying this; as posters seem to be creeping towards 'friendly fire' killing one or both of the hostages. This IS NOT what I have heard.
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Reply #668 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:16pm
 
Channel 9 6.15PM News have just confirmed that Tori Johnson was executed by a single shot to the head from Monis.
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Reply #669 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:18pm
 
red baron wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:16pm:
Channel 9 6.15PM News have just confirmed that Tori Johnson was executed by a single shot to the head from Monis.


And what is their source?  And....what did they say about the other person.  If nothing, does that not send you a message?
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Reply #670 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:25pm
 
Aussie, sometimes I wonder just how much Criminal Law you practised.

Use your noggin old son. The POLICE gave Channel 9 permission to broadcast that news, where do you think it came from in the beak of a dove?

On question 2, Channel 9 reported that ballistic tests have to be carried out in relation to the second death. I have already stated that both deaths came as the result of injuries sustained by a shotgun blast, one directly the other one indirectly, cryptic but that's all you're going to get. 

Do you ever sit down to watch the News? Do you have a TV?
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Reply #671 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:25pm
 
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:21pm:









Can we stop posting videos of Liberal voters please?
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Reply #672 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
red baron wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:25pm:
Aussie, sometimes I wonder just how much Criminal Law you practised.

Use your noggin old son. The POLICE gave Channel 9 permission to broadcast that news, where do you think it came from in the beak of a dove?

On question 2, Channel 9 reported that ballistic tests have to be carried out in relation to the second death. 

Do you ever sit down to watch the News? Do you have a TV?


Oh well, then if TV said it...then it must be true?
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Reply #673 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:44pm
 
red baron wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:25pm:
Aussie, sometimes I wonder just how much Criminal Law you practised.

Use your noggin old son. The POLICE gave Channel 9 permission to broadcast that news, where do you think it came from in the beak of a dove?

On question 2, Channel 9 reported that ballistic tests have to be carried out in relation to the second death. I have already stated that both deaths came as the result of injuries sustained by a shotgun blast, one directly the other one indirectly, cryptic but that's all you're going to get. 

Do you ever sit down to watch the News? Do you have a TV?


So, you need ballistics to determine if someone was blown away by shotgun, or killed by rifle fire?  I have enough TVs in my Home, and have shot both to know that any amateur would know whether I had been hit by a shotgun blast or a rifle discharge.

But, then again, it ain't me making the announcements.  I'll wait to see what emerges in the cold light of day.  Until then, I use my right to question/comment. Okay?
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Reply #674 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:48pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:06pm:
AYanker wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:49pm:
I'm very sorry for what happened in your country today guys.  From my vista across the pond, you seem to be a peaceful people and unaccustomed to violence like this.  While you will surely ask yourselves why this happened and how you can prevent it from happening again, I hope you will not allow it to change who you are.

Our hatred and desire for revenge post 9/11 led us down a path of decadency I really don't think we'll ever recover from.  We have become renowned war mongers, spies, torturers and have sacrificed the values of liberty and transparency to appease our anger against others.  In the end, the weapons we developed to fortify our freedom have been turned on us to destroy it.  Every email is read, every call recorded; warrantless searches; checkpoints that aren't at the border; police officers that murder civilians weekly on camera and walk free; trigger-happy SWAT teams raiding barbershops in poor neighborhoods simply to verify barber's licenses; and even the smallest towns now have armored vehicles and arms from Iraq that the local police are now beginning to deploy to address misdemeanors and  collect fines. 

You do not want this to become your daily reality.  You *must not* allow this man to convince you to destroy yourselves.  People will seize on this opportunity to try to barter your freedom for your security.  Don't fall for it.  They'll call you "traitors" and "anti-Aussie" and other nasty things.  The more they talk, the more stubborn and noisy you need to get.  Shout them down.  Don't even let them *set foot* on that slippery slope. 

Secondly, I am warning you, as a black man living in this buggered-up, sadistic, evil, twisted, racist American society: hatred is like a cancer -- it is slow and budding at first, but quietly, it consumes everything you are, spreading from place to place until it kills the very organism that hosts it.  I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad.  And at the core of it is that same budding hatred -- all of it's ugliness and viciousness tucked deep, deep down where it will ferment until it is bursting at the seams.  Hatred will only beget more hatred, and not just from those your nation mistreats.  It never stops there.  When you practice lack of compassion, you'll eventually lose it for each other.   

Listen, Yank w@nker, you have no idea about Australia. Immigrants are treated very well compared to your bastion of democracy, despite which australians are among the least racist in the world.  so shut your mouth and crawl back into your hole.



Why should he?

Everything he says is essentially correct.
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