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Reply #675 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:49pm
 
red baron wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:08pm:
Aussie, you also know that when I have been wrong I have fallen on my sword and apologised with out reservation.

All I can say is that I consider my source on this reliable.

I would hate to state something that would be wrong in such a matter as this. However for what it is worth, that is what I have been told went down. I have been told more but I am not saying anymore than this. I am only saying this; as posters seem to be creeping towards 'friendly fire' killing one or both of the hostages. This IS NOT what I have heard.


If Red Baron fell on its sword every time it was wrong it would be as full of holes as its arguments.
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Reply #676 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:12pm
 
Laugh  - You say a lot on this site and most of it is first class crap. And you never ever say you're wrong because you my boy are the second coming and are never wrong - except when you are wrong, which is most of the time peanut.
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Reply #677 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:17pm
 
red baron wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:12pm:
Laugh  - You say a lot on this site and most of it is first class crap. And you never ever say you're wrong because you my boy are the second coming and are never wrong - except when you are wrong, which is most of the time peanut.


Thank you darling for the compliments. This is the only time I have known you to be right. It must be the light penetrating your flesh through the holes sanitizing your soul.
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Reply #678 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:19pm
 
cods is, apparently, having problems posting in this thread.  Grin Grin

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418798026/2#2
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Reply #679 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:20pm
 
Neferti wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:19pm:
cods is, apparently, having problems posting in this thread.  Grin Grin

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418798026/2#2




thanks for your concern nef...
I think
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Reply #680 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:23pm
 
CODS is correct. This string has been experiencing constipation for 3 days. Does Doctor Brown Finger have an alibi?
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Reply #681 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:24pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:44pm:
red baron wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:25pm:
Aussie, sometimes I wonder just how much Criminal Law you practised.

Use your noggin old son. The POLICE gave Channel 9 permission to broadcast that news, where do you think it came from in the beak of a dove?

On question 2, Channel 9 reported that ballistic tests have to be carried out in relation to the second death. I have already stated that both deaths came as the result of injuries sustained by a shotgun blast, one directly the other one indirectly, cryptic but that's all you're going to get. 

Do you ever sit down to watch the News? Do you have a TV?


So, you need ballistics to determine if someone was blown away by shotgun, or killed by rifle fire?  I have enough TVs in my Home, and have shot both to know that any amateur would know whether I had been hit by a shotgun blast or a rifle discharge.

But, then again, it ain't me making the announcements.  I'll wait to see what emerges in the cold light of day.  Until then, I use my right to question/comment. Okay?



oh god spare us.. not another gweggy  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyespullllllllllleeeeeeeeeeaaassssssse...
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Reply #682 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:24pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:23pm:
CODS is correct. This string has been experiencing constipation for 3 days. Does Doctor Brown Finger have an alibi?



thanks dont tell nef... she thinks she fixed it.. shhhhhh
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Reply #683 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:27pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:42pm:
I would suggest there are a few "unanswered" questions AND that we may never get answers!



wow...not fence sitting by any chance there perc???

Grin Grin

maybe we should get in the team from  CSI they get their answers in a hour..and they always get their man..

always.. no ifs or buts.
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Reply #684 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 6:36pm
 
Well Laugh, aren't you just lucky you have me to set the record straight here and there when the bullshite reaches epic proportions which is sure as hell has on this subject.

By the way thanks for the compliment, only too happy to be of service, second coming. Cheesy
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Reply #685 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:06pm
 
Kat wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
ian wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:06pm:
AYanker wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:49pm:
I'm very sorry for what happened in your country today guys.  From my vista across the pond, you seem to be a peaceful people and unaccustomed to violence like this.  While you will surely ask yourselves why this happened and how you can prevent it from happening again, I hope you will not allow it to change who you are.

Our hatred and desire for revenge post 9/11 led us down a path of decadency I really don't think we'll ever recover from.  We have become renowned war mongers, spies, torturers and have sacrificed the values of liberty and transparency to appease our anger against others.  In the end, the weapons we developed to fortify our freedom have been turned on us to destroy it.  Every email is read, every call recorded; warrantless searches; checkpoints that aren't at the border; police officers that murder civilians weekly on camera and walk free; trigger-happy SWAT teams raiding barbershops in poor neighborhoods simply to verify barber's licenses; and even the smallest towns now have armored vehicles and arms from Iraq that the local police are now beginning to deploy to address misdemeanors and  collect fines. 

You do not want this to become your daily reality.  You *must not* allow this man to convince you to destroy yourselves.  People will seize on this opportunity to try to barter your freedom for your security.  Don't fall for it.  They'll call you "traitors" and "anti-Aussie" and other nasty things.  The more they talk, the more stubborn and noisy you need to get.  Shout them down.  Don't even let them *set foot* on that slippery slope. 

Secondly, I am warning you, as a black man living in this buggered-up, sadistic, evil, twisted, racist American society: hatred is like a cancer -- it is slow and budding at first, but quietly, it consumes everything you are, spreading from place to place until it kills the very organism that hosts it.  I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad.  And at the core of it is that same budding hatred -- all of it's ugliness and viciousness tucked deep, deep down where it will ferment until it is bursting at the seams.  Hatred will only beget more hatred, and not just from those your nation mistreats.  It never stops there.  When you practice lack of compassion, you'll eventually lose it for each other.   

Listen, Yank w@nker, you have no idea about Australia. Immigrants are treated very well compared to your bastion of democracy, despite which australians are among the least racist in the world.  so shut your mouth and crawl back into your hole.



Why should he?

Everything he says is essentially correct.


I agree.

To you, AYanker, I lifts me lid! Welcome and thank you for your input

We are fortunate in this country to possess a quite formidable fence around it, unlike yours.

And ian, unfortunately your comment indicates the knee-jerk, defensive response that is all too common in this forum. You have failed to take into consider the differences between the two extant countries, especially their respective histories. You also failed to acknowledge the spirit in which the commentary was given and the thought that went into a considered opinion.

It amuses me when I read all this commentary about the perpetrator of this atrocity. All the speculations about how he was able to walk out of possible detention, how he should have been marked as a person of interest, his mental state, how he got a gun, whether he had a licence, the introspection regarding his history, etc, etc, etc.

Everybody seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room.

Islam.

Muslims have nothing to do with this event.

The motivation came from Islam, nowhere else.

1/01/1915 is the 100th anniversary of the Broken Hill incident.

And what was the motivation there?

Just sayin'.


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Re: Sydney siege: Martin Place
Reply #686 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
Lobo wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
AYanker wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 3:01pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:52pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:27pm:
AYanker wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:49pm:
I'm very sorry for what happened in your country today guys.  From my vista across the pond, you seem to be a peaceful people and unaccustomed to violence like this.  While you will surely ask yourselves why this happened and how you can prevent it from happening again, I hope you will not allow it to change who you are.

Our hatred and desire for revenge post 9/11 led us down a path of decadency I really don't think we'll ever recover from.  We have become renowned war mongers, spies, torturers and have sacrificed the values of liberty and transparency to appease our anger against others.  In the end, the weapons we developed to fortify our freedom have been turned on us to destroy it.  Every email is read, every call recorded; warrantless searches; checkpoints that aren't at the border; police officers that murder civilians weekly on camera and walk free; trigger-happy SWAT teams raiding barbershops in poor neighborhoods simply to verify barber's licenses; and even the smallest towns now have armored vehicles and arms from Iraq that the local police are now beginning to deploy to address misdemeanors and  collect fines. 

You do not want this to become your daily reality.  You *must not* allow this man to convince you to destroy yourselves.  People will seize on this opportunity to try to barter your freedom for your security.  Don't fall for it.  They'll call you "traitors" and "anti-Aussie" and other nasty things.  The more they talk, the more stubborn and noisy you need to get.  Shout them down.  Don't even let them *set foot* on that slippery slope. 

Secondly, I am warning you, as a black man living in this buggered-up, sadistic, evil, twisted, racist American society: hatred is like a cancer -- it is slow and budding at first, but quietly, it consumes everything you are, spreading from place to place until it kills the very organism that hosts it.  I see how you (as a people) treat immigrants in your country, and what I see makes me sad.  And at the core of it is that same budding hatred -- all of it's ugliness and viciousness tucked deep, deep down where it will ferment until it is bursting at the seams.  Hatred will only beget more hatred, and not just from those your nation mistreats.  It never stops there.  When you practice lack of compassion, you'll eventually lose it for each other.   


No argument from me on any of that, whatsoever.  Well said Yank!


really???  swat teams checking barber's licenses?  (which btw don't even exist).  every email read?  I think you swallowed a pile of BS rather too quickly.




[washingtonpost DOT COM]/news/the-watch/wp/2014/09/19/federal-appeals-court-stop-using-swat-style-ra
ids-for-regulatory-inspections/

[washingtonpost DOT COM]/opinions/katrina-vanden-heuvel-obama-should-offer-clemency-to-edward-snowde
n/2014/10/27/b233b054-5dfe-11e4-91f7-5d89b5e8c251_story.html

Sir, a simple Google search would reveal this information; you can find it anywhere.  I don't want to digress from the topic at hand, though.  I'm just hoping that Australians don't, as we Americans say, "drink the koolaid" offered by people who will capitalize on this push their anti-[insert race/ethnicity here] agenda.  This is the perfect time for them to strike, and it will ruin you if you buy it.


longweekend doesn't do Google....

Wink


he doesn't do 'facts' either  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #687 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:18pm
 
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:49pm:
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 8:15am:
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 8:11am:
Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing


why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.


Dear John (Oh how I hate to write...)  I'll let you go away and think about that  comment. 
Of course your rationale here is that lunatics -- even those reported to the government as having fake credentials and spreading anit-Islamic messages -- even those convicted of behaving offensively to Australian military personnel et al, even those recently advertising on their websites that that have converted to a radical persuasion; even those who have had a somewhat questionable relationship with the Iranian Intelligence and are wanted by Interpol; even those required to report to the police every day --  shouldn't be the concern of counter-terrorism experts -- that is until they are involved in acts of terrorism.  Is that it John?


exactly  ... good to see you keeping up



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Yes it's important to be able to discern an act of lunacy from a real-world situation. I've already expressed an interest in counter-terrorism consultancy -- looks like a piece of cake. You may find a vocation in counter-lunacy consultancy.  So what do you make of this guy; should he be on the watch list?


you think everyone on a watch list is a terrorist? Australia had thousands on their watch list, the USA millions ....

oh no ... lets all hide!
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Reply #688 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:28pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 5:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:30pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 4:22pm:
all they need is one tiny excuse...




Bingo.  Any excuse.

This lunatic would have hurt other people, no matter what religion he was.



That is presumptive and not even likely to be true.  Since his motivations were entirely religious (which you will not doubt dispute) then his religion can certainly take some of the blame.



Religion was the excuse he used yesterday.

He has an extensive list of criminal charges, and he was a nutter.

If Islam didn't exist, he would have used something else as an excuse to commit his crime yesterday.

Stop making excuses for criminals.

Why does Islam lend itself to 7 murders an hour, but not other religions? 


Probably because it's a particularly stupid religion.





Why are we letting in its adherents, then?

Because it's not 'illegal' to be particularly stupid - which is also your great good fortune.

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Reply #689 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 6:45am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 4:21pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:49pm:
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 8:15am:
ColdFact wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 8:11am:
Like, it's supposed to be 'counter-terrorism' -- Monis should have had every alarm bell on the planet ringing


why? he wasn't a terrorist, he was a lunatic.


Dear John (Oh how I hate to write...)  I'll let you go away and think about that  comment. 
Of course your rationale here is that lunatics -- even those reported to the government as having fake credentials and spreading anit-Islamic messages -- even those convicted of behaving offensively to Australian military personnel et al, even those recently advertising on their websites that that have converted to a radical persuasion; even those who have had a somewhat questionable relationship with the Iranian Intelligence and are wanted by Interpol; even those required to report to the police every day --  shouldn't be the concern of counter-terrorism experts -- that is until they are involved in acts of terrorism.  Is that it John?


exactly  ... good to see you keeping up



Sincerely
Agony Aunt


Yes it's important to be able to discern an act of lunacy from a real-world situation. I've already expressed an interest in counter-terrorism consultancy -- looks like a piece of cake. You may find a vocation in counter-lunacy consultancy.  So what do you make of this guy; should he be on the watch list?


you think everyone on a watch list is a terrorist? Australia had thousands on their watch list, the USA millions ....

oh no ... lets all hide!



Speaking of watch-lists.  Excuse me if I unsubscribe from your forthcoming informative and prolific posts.  G'bye.


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