Just think about it, okay?

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:


Oh I'm sure you'll explain something FD - but I'm guessing probably not the fact that you constantly quote the PEW survey on apostasy laws to smear muslims - and yet here we have that very PEW survey showing (almost certainly) a majority of those surveyed opposing death for apostasy. Does "cherry picking" mean quoting the entire survey sample, rather than just the Malaysians? Must be I guess.

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:


Like I keep saying - I don't know, but it seems extremely unlikely. Just take your favourite PEW survey - almost certainly a majority of the total sample oppose both stoning for adultery and death for apostasy. Thats pretty much your entire case you've been hammering on for about a year down the gurgler. Do you have any other evidence that my views are in the minority? Ah let me guess - Abu?

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:


Ok - "I think the Pew survey is a good place to start with what Muslims actually think" - how about the views of the largest muslim country on earth? Or the fact that most muslims in the survey oppose stoning and executing apostates - even though all these months you've been cherry picking Malaysia and pretending that represents all muslims? Is that a good place to start?

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This is about whether your views reflect the majority of Muslims.

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The opinions of Malaysian Muslims do reflect poorly on Islam. But I have been very specific in stating that it is the view of a majority of Malaysian Muslims. You on the other hand insist you represent the majority of Muslims, without knowing or caring whether it is true, and avoiding every opportunity to find out.

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You are the only one trying to misrepresent it Gandalf. Can you quote which "case" of mine you think is down the gurgler, or do you not know?

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Yes, how about it? Do you need me to explain how you could use the survey to find out out whether your views reflect the majority of Muslims? Did you only mean you are with the majority in not stoning apostates to death, but most Muslims do hold backwards, yet slightly less barbaric views on a plethora of other issues? Or is it that you actually agree with many of the retrograde opinions revealed in the survey?

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Can you quote me saying it represents anything other than the majority of Malaysian Muslims? Are you just desperately trying to change the topic? What exactly is it that you are afraid of revealing - your own views, or how backwards the majority of Muslims really are?

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:


But I have found out FD - I even provided the graph for apostasy laws. I thought it would be self-explanatory, but apparently not: 18% of Indonesians who support sharia (72%) oppose death for apostasy. Indonesia is by far the biggest muslim country on earth. Bangladesh is the third largest muslim country, and it also records majorities who oppose death for apostasy. I think its fairly clear from the graph that a majority of muslims in those samples oppose death for apostasy. Figures for stoning also clearly show a majority oppose it - look it up yourself.

Death for apostasy and stoning are two of the things I oppose. Evidently most muslims from this survey agree with me. That puts me in the majority no? I'm not sure what you don't understand FD - I really don't understand how you could be confused about why this survey demonstrates I am in the majority - on the two issues you continually rabbit on about with cherry picked data (Malaysia only).

Would you like to present some other evidence that demonstrates my views are in the minority? So far you've only ever talked about this PEW survey - and it turns out it puts my views in the majority in the only two "head hacking" criteria you have ever talked about (stoning and apostasy).

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:


The case that my views are in the minority - using Malaysian muslims responses on apostasy and stoning in the PEW survey as your only evidence. Would you like to offer some other evidence to revive this case FD?

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:


Oh so there are other criteria! Nevermind that you've spent the last year+ rabbiting on *ONLY* about apostasy and stoning (and exclusively Malaysians) to demonstrate muslim's backward views. So what other "plethora of other issues" from that survey prove that I'm in the minority FD? I'm all ears!

freediver wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:


you're so right FD - your argument over the past year boils down to this: "muslims are backward and horrible - and here's a tiny subset of a PEW survey on apostasy and stoning to prove it - and I'll just quietly ignore the fact that the survey demonstrates that overall, muslims oppose these backward views"

I agree FD - you really are a shameless, deceitful cherrypicker.

Now now, G, there you go quoting the Pew Survey again. That’s approved here only for Malaysian Muslims, okay? FD’s made this perfectly clear a number of time.

On non-Malaysian Muslims, the Pew Survey’s a hoax.

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So head chopping is the only measure of your views on Islam? You are part of the majority because you are with those who merely want to jail apostates?

And you wonder why people don't trust Muslims.

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Sure, that would be simple enough, if anyone knew what your views are. You are the one who made these claims about being part of the majority. I am happy enough to accept your retraction, if you are so averse to going into any of the details.

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Can you quote me making that case, or is this another example of me saying things without actually saying them?

jackmountain wrote on Dec 18^th, 2014 at 11:23pm:


Indonesia?  "Rocked by suicide bombings"?   I'd hardly call six bombings over a decade plus, "rocking" Indonesia.

I know, Matty you don't like having a sense of proportion as far as your Islamophobia goes but really?

You should also provide a link to where you've quoted this information from.  It's dishonest to claim it as your own work when it is demonstrably not.