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Muslims claiming to be the silent majority
Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:10pm

We have had a few Muslims on here with a diverse range of views. One thing many of them have in common is that they claim that they, or their views, represent the majority of Muslims. Interestingly, Gandalf has made this claim, in addition to insisting that his views exactly match Australian law. So if you want to find out what the majority of Muslims think on an issue, you merely have to consult a lawyer. This is convenient, as it would be a lot easier than asking a Muslim, and saves Muslims having to reveal their more inconvenient beliefs.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

I don't need to start another thread - because what I am advocating is exactly the same as the current Australian laws. I'd just like you to explain how you think its not.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

How much more clearly can I say I think the law should be exactly what it currently is? What exactly are you confused about FD?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 12^th, 2014 at 9:35pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

And what do you propose I do? Put my case forward that this is not the true teachings of islam? Well gee whiz I do that every day. Should I use violence - and become the very person I've been saying I'm not?

I propose you convince your fellow Muslims. No use preaching to me, pal, I think Islam is a load of nonsense, whichever way you look at it. You need to get in with the boys who share your religion but not your interpretation of it.

Your job is to get your Islamic boys on YOUR side as far as your interpretation of the nonsense goes. That's where YOUR work is.

And since the vast majority of muslims *DO* adhere to my version of peaceful/tolerant islam - I'd say I (or rather "my side" - if you like) have been rather successful no?

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:20am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 6:16pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2014 at 8:03am:

Is this the version of Islam you are unwilling to even put a name on? Abu said the same thing about his views. At least he was willing to back it up.

You prefer labels FD?

Sure - how about "peaceful and tolerant Islam" - or PTI for short.

How do you actually know that your version is the "mainstream" one if you do not have a label for it? That's what words are for Gandalf. We have seen you try to twist the opinions of Malaysian Muslims into something more moderate than what they are. I think this is more likely to be a consistent effort on your behalf to only see the best in other Muslims rather than to face reality.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

Most muslims are peaceful and tolerant.

Gandalf, are we talking about actions or views here? Does your version of Islam only represent the majority of Muslims to the extent that you refrain from chopping people's heads off? Is Islam a set of views, or a series of actions you perform?

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Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority
Reply #1 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:27pm

- I believe in a peaceful, tolerant islam
- the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and tolerant towards non-muslims.

I put two and two together.

You could be right though - I may be being entirely presumptuous - perhaps most muslims really hate and privately curse their non-muslim neighbours, but are too cowardly and/or lazy to act out their desires. Its about as useful to assume this than to assume the opposite in my view.

Should we assume the worst about muslims? Who knows, maybe we should - maybe we are all scum, and we should be all banned and deported and have our mosques raised to the ground. Who am I to argue otherwise? You constantly pigeon-hole me and claim to know my beliefs, so I'll defer to your better judgment.

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Reply #2 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:54pm

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You could be right though - I may be being entirely presumptuous - perhaps most muslims really hate and privately curse their non-muslim neighbours, but are too cowardly and/or lazy to act out their desires. Its about as useful to assume this than to assume the opposite in my view.

The majority of Malaysian Muslims want to introduce Shariah law, stone adulterers to death, execute apostates etc. They are also peaceful and tolerant. Is this the majority you belong to? Are we only capable of judging a Muslim's views by whether they are currently engaged in the act of beheading someone? Perhaps you mean there are two types of Muslim - those who are beheading people, and those who want to. And you are in the majority, no?

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You constantly pigeon-hole me and claim to know my beliefs

What pigeon hole have I placed you in?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96187 Gender:	Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority Reply #3 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:06pm Not Malaysians, shurely? Salamat Datang.
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jackmountain Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 350 Gender:	Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority Reply #4 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:20pm - perhaps most muslims really hate and privately curse their non-muslim neighbours, but are too cowardly and/or lazy to act out their desires. #Bingo
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Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority
Reply #5 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:26pm

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:

- perhaps most muslims really hate and privately curse their non-muslim neighbours, but are too cowardly and/or lazy to act out their desires.

#Bingo

Yes, we have one of them here, JM. Chap by the name of Matty/Mahdi. He comes here every few months to hate and curse people, then demands to be banned or he’ll have tantie.

I’m not sure where he goes when he’s done. Back to Mum’s, I think.

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Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority
Reply #6 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:28pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:

- perhaps most muslims really hate and privately curse their non-muslim neighbours, but are too cowardly and/or lazy to act out their desires.

#Bingo

Yes, we have one of them here, JM. Chap by the name of Matty/Mahdi. He comes here every few months to hate and curse people, then demands to be banned or he’ll have tantie.

I’m not sure where he goes when he’s done. Back to Mum’s, I think.

Cool story bro.

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Reply #7 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:34pm

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:

- perhaps most muslims really hate and privately curse their non-muslim neighbours, but are too cowardly and/or lazy to act out their desires.

#Bingo

Nah.

Not cowardly.

Two faced, deceitful, wanna-be-murderers [.....just biding their time].

Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

The only type of 'peaceful' relationship with disbelievers which is permitted by ISLAMIC law, is a relationship which is based upon deceit and lying [by 'the moslem'], towards those who are not moslems, so as to advance and strengthen the interests of 'the moslem' and ISLAM.

e.g.
Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012406.php

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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jackmountain Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 350 Gender:	Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority Reply #8 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:35pm Muslims are sleepers pure and simple.
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Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority
Reply #9 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:42pm

jackmountain wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:35pm:

Muslims are sleepers pure and simple.

Moslems are treacherous, wanna-be-murderers, ......pure and simple.

Yadda said....
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gandalf is the type of moslem who promotes only peace, and does not follow the violent parts of his faith. Tongue

Yadda said....
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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.
And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Yadda said....

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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

TRUTH.

All cognisant moslems themselves, know this to be true, and deny and hide this criminal intent from their non-moslem host communities.

Quote:

"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority
Reply #10 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:43pm

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 8:54pm:

The majority of Malaysian Muslims want to introduce Shariah law, stone adulterers to death, execute apostates etc. They are also peaceful and tolerant. Is this the majority you belong to? Are we only capable of judging a Muslim's views by whether they are currently engaged in the act of beheading someone? Perhaps you mean there are two types of Muslim - those who are beheading people, and those who want to. And you are in the majority, no?

Malaysian muslims are not the only muslims, and yet the population is split almost 50-50 on the issue. Indonesian muslims have vastly different views - which I know you're aware of, but curiously never mention. You are being tricky with your cherry picking.

And while I don't support hudud punishment, I don't believe supporting it necessarily makes someone automatically intolerant and violent. You may disagree, thats fine - but the fact remains most muslims remain peaceful, tolerant and non-violent towards non-muslims.

Karnal wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

Salamat Datang.

Sama sama

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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jackmountain Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 350 Gender:	Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority Reply #11 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 9:58pm "the population is split almost 50-50 on the issue" Prove it.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority Reply #12 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:04pm There is a well worn thread on it Matty, where all the data is provided. You are more than welcome to look it up.
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Reply #13 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

- I believe in a peaceful, tolerant islam
- the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and tolerant towards non-muslims.

I put two and two together.

You could be right though - I may be being entirely presumptuous - perhaps most muslims really hate and privately curse their non-muslim neighbours, but are too cowardly and/or lazy to act out their desires. Its about as useful to assume this than to assume the opposite in my view.

Should we assume the worst about muslims? Who knows, maybe we should - maybe we are all scum, and we should be all banned and deported and have our mosques raised to the ground. Who am I to argue otherwise?

You constantly pigeon-hole me and claim to know my beliefs,

so I'll defer to your better judgment.

gandalf,

You are a moslem.

[....aren't you ???? is there any denial from you, on that front ???? ]

And so, a moslem is a moslem.

And [thanks to the Koran and the Hadith, online] everyone [who wants to know] can know, what the tenets and laws of ISLAM, demand of 'the moslem'.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

e.g.

http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/gay-man-thrown_sm.jpg

Quote:

While Americans debate the ethics of using enhanced
interrogation techniques on mass murderers, pious
Muslims are casually tossing homosexuals from rooftops.

IMAGE and comment source.....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Dec-10/280515-isis-kills-men-a...i+++

Quote:

"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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jackmountain Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 350 Gender:	Re: Muslims claiming to be the silent majority Reply #14 - Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:10pm polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:04pm: There is a well worn thread on it Matty, where all the data is provided. You are more than welcome to look it up. Cool story bro. Didn't think you could back the BS up.
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