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Reply #15 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:06pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:01pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 4:55pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 1:20pm:
Was he leading the protest or was he taking part?  The article doesn't mention him by name and the photo simply shows him gesturing and shouting something.   It could well be that he was supporting others Baron.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin


He IS named, in the second photo down the page.

"Sheik Harron (fourth from the right) at Lakemba protesting systematic police raids across Sydney. Source: News Corp Australia"


I missed that, I'll admit.  Just indicates he was present and known to the photographer.  Doesn't state he was an organiser or just a participant.  For all we know, he was just passing by on his way to the shops and decided to spontaneously take part in the demonstration!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


Right, and Adolf Hitler just happened to be in the news films from WW2.
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Reply #16 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:19pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:06pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:01pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 4:55pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 1:20pm:
Was he leading the protest or was he taking part?  The article doesn't mention him by name and the photo simply shows him gesturing and shouting something.   It could well be that he was supporting others Baron.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin


He IS named, in the second photo down the page.

"Sheik Harron (fourth from the right) at Lakemba protesting systematic police raids across Sydney. Source: News Corp Australia"


I missed that, I'll admit.  Just indicates he was present and known to the photographer.  Doesn't state he was an organiser or just a participant.  For all we know, he was just passing by on his way to the shops and decided to spontaneously take part in the demonstration!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


Right, and Adolf Hitler just happened to be in the news films from WW2.


Was he?  How about that!   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Terrorist protested Terror laws
Reply #17 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:20pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 2:23pm:
In all honesty I cannot fathom the point being made here.

Is it that muslims should never exercise their democratic rights - on the off chance that there might be a potential future terrorist expressing the same right?

Help me understand, please.


Who other than Muslims were protesting the refining of the laws so as to better ensure our safety?

It's the same mob who thought it 'racist' and unreasonable that people of Middle Eastern appearance should attract a little more attention than others at airport customs and elsewhere in efforts to deter terrorist bombings.

That degree of denial by the Muslim community as to what sort of people are most responsible for terrorists acts is both highly irresponsible and stupidly childish for its 'victimhood' petulance.

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Reply #18 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:26pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:01pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 4:55pm:
|dev|null wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 1:20pm:
Was he leading the protest or was he taking part?  The article doesn't mention him by name and the photo simply shows him gesturing and shouting something.   It could well be that he was supporting others Baron.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin


He IS named, in the second photo down the page.

"Sheik Harron (fourth from the right) at Lakemba protesting systematic police raids across Sydney. Source: News Corp Australia"


I missed that, I'll admit.  Just indicates he was present and known to the photographer.  Doesn't state he was an organiser or just a participant.  For all we know, he was just passing by on his way to the shops and decided to spontaneously take part in the demonstration!   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


You strain incredulity to the point where it has caused what little brain you possess to bleed from your ears.
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Reply #19 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm
 
karnal wrote: Quote:
Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.

It also contains the usual islamic terror apologist's excuses.

Nothing about Jews I'm afraid.
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Reply #20 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 6:15pm
 
common sense extracts below


Denial of Islamic fundamentalism puts us in danger 

December 16, 2014 9:00PM

MAN Haron Monis couldn’t have done more to make the deaf hear that the terror he unleashed in Sydney was in the name of Islam. 
 
As he walked into the Lindt coffee shop with his shotgun on Monday he wore a headband bearing the war cry: “We are ready to sacrifice for you, O Muhammad.”

The Iranian-born cleric had already fought for Islam by sending jeering letters to the families of Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan.


He ordered some to hold up against the window a black Shahada flag announcing: “There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

ABC reporters and commentators, especially, on Radio National, babbled how this unfortunate episode had nothing to do with Islam, given Monis was clearly crazy.

Islamic groups claimed nothing in their faith licensed this ghastly attack, and Monis’s former lawyer, Manny Conditsis, summed up this deep evasion in an interview with the ABC: “Yes, he said he was of the Islam faith, but he could have been any other damaged individual that did what he did.”


Yet are the apologists really trying to dismiss the faith of Monis as just an astonishing coincidence?

Must we always feign this surprise when a terrorist is found to be — gasp — Muslim? Surely we can finally drop this absurd game given that 21 of the 21 people jailed for terrorism offences here in the past couple of decades were Muslim, as are 19 of the 20 proscribed terrorist groups in Australia.

Surely we’re entitled to conclude that something specific to Islam seems to license violence, given we have just as many Buddhists here as Muslims, yet not one Buddhist has killed here for his faith.

Yes, Monis was not a rational man, which I suspect is true of so many other notorious Islamist killers, including Australian head-hackers Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar, now fighting for the Islamic State.

The ideology Monis followed was inspired in large part by Islamic scriptures that urge believers to “kill the polytheists wherever you find them”, and exhorts: “So when you meet those who disbelieve (in battle), strike (their) necks.”

We’re told, as always, that those who take seriously such passages in the Koran and Hadith are a tiny, unrepresentative minority.

But wait. The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Monis had more than 14,000 “likes” on Facebook, and a Muslim community leader asked by counter-terrorism authorities to find the Islamic State flag Monis demanded said: “I found plenty of people who had one, but they didn’t want to give them up.”

So why this denial about Islam — and specifically about its role in this attack?


For the Left more generally, to admit the latent threat in Islam would be to question disastrous Leftist programs that have left this country more exposed to political violence — particularly our too-lax immigration programs, multiculturalism and the much-rorted “refugee” programs that let in Monis in 1996. It is also to seem unkind.

The elements are shocking, true. But Islam contains a strong streak of violence and intolerance of other creeds. Mass immigration from the Middle East has left us in greater danger than before. Muslim leaders were recklessly slow to help fight extremism in their doctrine and their followers, including the mad.

And by screaming “racist” rather than allowing debate, our academics, commentators and politicians deafened us to the warnings until it was too late.

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Reply #21 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:57pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 2:07pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 1:03pm:
It appears our latest terrorist was one of the people protesting our terror laws in Lakemba.

So much for the claim he has no support from fellow muslims.


Exactly.

Birds of a feather flock together.





Another common saying when I was younger-

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch
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Reply #22 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 9:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 1:36pm:
Apparently he was requesting an ISIS flag and a phone call with Tony Abbot, and asking the media to declare that we are under invasion from ISIS. I thought the media were banging on too much about the meaning of the flag. Maybe they were winding him up. He can't kill the hostages till he has the right flag.


I saw a video from one of the hostages on liveleak saying it was an attack by the Islamic state.

The flag made no difference,3 kids under 10 will be wondering WTF happened to their mother she will never be coming home.




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Reply #23 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:31pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
karnal wrote: Quote:
Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.


He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #24 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:39pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:31pm:
moses wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
karnal wrote: Quote:
Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.


He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.    Roll Eyes


Yes he was just a normal muslim that followed the Quar'an that tells its followers to commit terrorist acts. You're not one until you do it. Cheesy
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Reply #25 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:41pm
 
jackmountain wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:31pm:
moses wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
karnal wrote: Quote:
Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.


He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.    Roll Eyes


Yes he was just a normal muslim that followed the Quar'an that tells its followers to commit terrorist acts. You're not one until you do it. Cheesy



Yes, Matty.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:41pm:
jackmountain wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:31pm:
moses wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
karnal wrote: Quote:
Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.


He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.    Roll Eyes


Yes he was just a normal muslim that followed the Quar'an that tells its followers to commit terrorist acts. You're not one until you do it. Cheesy



Yes, Matty.   Roll Eyes


Cool story John Smith Roll Eyes
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Reply #27 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 7:52am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:57pm:
Another common saying when I was younger-

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch


There's no doubt that 'peer group pressure' would be a factor in influencing some Muslim youths to believing it's 'cool', and even glamorously 'macho' to take on the mantle of some version of 'Warriors of Islam'.

Social media is not to blame, as so many say.

It's the negligent upbringing of the parents who have failed to firewall their kids against appeals to their more aggressive instincts so far as being loyal to Islam is concerned.

The blame is entirely the parent's who make no provision for instructing their children as to the right attitudes of assimilation with living in a secular western society.

Another reason for Muslim youths in western societies going astray with religious zeal is the fact that Islam demands of its congregation a saturation of religiosity as you won't find among the general Christian community.

It's this imperative to live within a bubble of Islamic consciousness that has them lose their perspective in the real world. Everything must be seen and judged against a stultifying backdrop of Islamic imperatives.

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Reply #28 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 10:33am
 
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He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.


Oh dear my mistake.

He fully supported the terror doctrine of islam, he fully supported islamic terror organizations, he practiced pro terrorist activities,

but really and truly he wasn't a terrorist until he actually murdered innocent people in accordance with the religion of peace islam.
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Reply #29 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 10:55am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:31pm:
moses wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
karnal wrote: Quote:
Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.


He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.    Roll Eyes


He was a wife killing serial sexual  offender who sent nasty letters to parents of deceased soldiers when that protest happened.

Did this bogus reffo ever work in Australia or was he supported by taxpayers with Centrelink?

Welfare,legal aid, dept of housing, a great contribution to society before police took the garbage out.
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