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Reply #30 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 3:36pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
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Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.

It also contains the usual islamic terror apologist's excuses.

Nothing about Jews I'm afraid.


I agree, Moses, but for some reason, you raised the issue of Jewish theology.

Do you have a problem with the question?
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Reply #31 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 3:38pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 10:33am:
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He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.


Oh dear my mistake.

He fully supported the terror doctrine of islam, he fully supported islamic terror organizations, he practiced pro terrorist activities,


True, Moses, but so do Longy and Sprint.

Are they terrorists too?
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Reply #32 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 5:09pm
 
jackmountain wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:41pm:
jackmountain wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:31pm:
moses wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
karnal wrote: Quote:
Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.


He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.    Roll Eyes


Yes he was just a normal muslim that followed the Quar'an that tells its followers to commit terrorist acts. You're not one until you do it. Cheesy



Yes, Matty.   Roll Eyes


Cool story John Smith Roll Eyes


What ever, Matty.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #33 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 5:12pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 10:33am:
An apologist for muslim atrocities claimed: Quote:
He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.


Oh dear my mistake.


You are forgiven.

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He fully supported the terror doctrine of islam, he fully supported islamic terror organizations, he practiced pro terrorist activities,


Did he?   Perhaps you'd tell us where you found conclusive evidence of those points, Moses?

Or is this just your bigotry talking, again? 

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but really and truly he wasn't a terrorist until he actually murdered innocent people in accordance with the religion of peace islam.


Was it "in accordance with the religion of peace, Islam," Moses or was it in accordance with his interpretation of Islam?  An interpretation which is at odds with mainstream interpretations of that religion?

HB asked, "is Islam monolithic,"  Moses?

Is it?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #34 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 5:13pm
 
Ridiculous.

5 short lines and the webpage is full.

Wake up you guys.
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Reply #35 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 5:14pm
 
Karnal wrote: Quote:
I agree, Moses, but for some reason, you raised the issue of Jewish theology.

Do you have a problem with the question?


Oh dear I posted a point that terror apologists accuse people who follow the mosaic law as somehow following Christian doctrine, in order to exonerate islamic terrorism.

Now because I've done that you're all confused (it's a tough world).

Well take heart, you're right it is Jewish theology, now the next time your buddies try to excuse islamic terrorists by attempting to implicate people who follow Jewish theology as evil Christians, I trust that you'll be awfully offended at their dishonesty, then point out their disingenuous delusive debating style.

or maybe you won't   

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True, Moses, but so do Longy and Sprint.

Are they terrorists too?


I'm lost you'll have to explicate.
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Reply #36 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 5:14pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 10:55am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 11:31pm:
moses wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
karnal wrote: Quote:
Sorry, Moses, are you saying Jews follow the teachings of the NT?

Please explain.


I don't think the jews have been mentioned, my understanding is that it's a thread about a muslim terrorist being quiet happily accepted at a demonstration by other muslims who are unhappy with our terrorist laws.


He wasn't a Terrorist when that demonstration happened, Moses.    Roll Eyes


He was a wife killing serial sexual  offender who sent nasty letters to parents of deceased soldiers when that protest happened.


Perhaps he was but apart from the last point, none of the others had been proven in a court of law, Baron so your comment is rather silly, now isn't it?

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Did this bogus reffo ever work in Australia or was he supported by taxpayers with Centrelink?


You're telling the story, Baron...   Roll Eyes

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Reply #37 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 5:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
Was it "in accordance with the religion of peace, Islam," Moses or was it in accordance with his interpretation of Islam?  An interpretation which is at odds with mainstream interpretations of that religion?

HB asked, "is Islam monolithic,"  Moses?

Is it?


one qur'an

one single author of the qur'an

one doctrine for jihad,

one doctrine for hijrah,

one doctrine for taqiyya and kitman,

one doctrine for self alienation from normal society,

one doctrine for hate speech,

one doctrine for torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters,

one doctrine for a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

monolithic adjective: Characterized by massiveness and rigidity and total uniformity

Methinks the terror dogma is Characterized by total uniformity.

But we all know it's got nothing to do with islam or muslims.
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Reply #38 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
So, Moses, no difference between Sh'ia and Sunni?  Sufi and Wahabbi?  There are more than a dozen different "denominations" within Islam, Moses.

Tell me, would you consider Christianity monolithic?  Hinduism?  Buddhism?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Dec 19th, 2014 at 8:30pm
 
Which Islamic denomination is 'good' and which is 'bad'.  How do you decide?

Body count? Number of books translated? Number of critics killed/not killed?  How?


What is your method, Brain, for telling toxic Islam from lovely Islam?


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Reply #40 - Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:09pm
 
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
So, Moses, no difference between Sh'ia and Sunni?  Sufi and Wahabbi?  There are more than a dozen different "denominations" within Islam, Moses.


I reiterate:

one qur'an

one single author of the qur'an

one doctrine for jihad,

one doctrine for hijrah,

one doctrine for taqiyya and kitman,

one doctrine for self alienation from normal society,

one doctrine for hate speech,

one doctrine for torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters,

one doctrine for a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

monolithic adjective: Characterized by massiveness and rigidity and total uniformity

Methinks the terror dogma is Characterized by total uniformity.

But we all know it's got nothing to do with islam or muslims.


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Tell me, would you consider Christianity monolithic?  Hinduism?  Buddhism?


I know nothing about Hinduism or Buddhism couldn't say anything.

My perceptions about Christianity:

Several versions of the Bible

Several (48 prophets / 7 prophetesses) in the O.T.

Several accounts of the gospel of Christianity, several accounts of the future trials of true Christians, plus a book of revelations in the N.T.

Monolithic adjective: Characterized by massiveness and rigidity and total uniformity

Methinks, very closely aligned, a sharing of common attributes,  monolithic no.
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Reply #41 - Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:12pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 19th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
Which Islamic denomination is 'good' and which is 'bad'.  How do you decide?

Body count? Number of books translated? Number of critics killed/not killed?  How?


What is your method, Brain, for telling toxic Islam from lovely Islam?


The same way you tell a good Catholic from a bad Lutheran, Soren.  By the actions of the individual.  Man Haron Monis was bad person who also happened to be a Muslim.   Rather like how Wade Michael Page was a bad man who also happened to be a Christian.   Of course, the idea may run counter to your views on Guilt by Association and Collective Guilt, Soren but hey, you might want to give it a try?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #42 - Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:17pm
 
moses wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:09pm:
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
So, Moses, no difference between Sh'ia and Sunni?  Sufi and Wahabbi?  There are more than a dozen different "denominations" within Islam, Moses.


I reiterate:

one qur'an

one single author of the qur'an

one doctrine for jihad,

one doctrine for hijrah,

one doctrine for taqiyya and kitman,

one doctrine for self alienation from normal society,

one doctrine for hate speech,

one doctrine for torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters,

one doctrine for a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

monolithic adjective: Characterized by massiveness and rigidity and total uniformity

Methinks the terror dogma is Characterized by total uniformity.

But we all know it's got nothing to do with islam or muslims.


So, you do have a cartoon caricature of Islam inside your head then?

No wonder you're a bigot.    Roll Eyes

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Tell me, would you consider Christianity monolithic?  Hinduism?  Buddhism?


I know nothing about Hinduism or Buddhism couldn't say anything.

My perceptions about Christianity:

Several versions of the Bible

Several (48 prophets / 7 prophetesses) in the O.T.

Several accounts of the gospel of Christianity, several accounts of the future trials of true Christians, plus a book of revelations in the N.T.

Monolithic adjective: Characterized by massiveness and rigidity and total uniformity

Methinks, very closely aligned, a sharing of common attributes,  monolithic no.


Yet you seem to believe Islam is monolithic.

All major religions suffer schism, Moses.   Just as Christianity has, so has Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.   Schism occurs invariably over differences in belief and doctrine.

You accept that Christianity is not monolithic but you don't accept Islam isn't either.  Why?  Perhaps because it makes it easier for you to justify your bigotry to create a cartoon caricature of Islam in your mind.

Your rigidity of thinking marks you out as a great potential recruit for any Terrorist organisation, Moses.

Out of a matter of interest, do you think Yadda is a Christian, despite him quoting extensively from The Old Testament to justify his attitudes towards Muslims and Islam?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #43 - Dec 20th, 2014 at 12:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote: Quote:
Yet you seem to believe Islam is monolithic.

All major religions suffer schism, Moses.   Just as Christianity has, so has Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.   Schism occurs invariably over differences in belief and doctrine.

You accept that Christianity is not monolithic but you don't accept Islam isn't either.  Why?  Perhaps because it makes it easier for you to justify your bigotry to create a cartoon caricature of Islam in your mind.

Your rigidity of thinking marks you out as a great potential recruit for any Terrorist organisation, Moses.


Can you show me:

two or more textual versions of the qur'an?

two or more authors of the qur'an?

two or more doctrines for jihad?

two or more doctrines for hijrah?

two or more doctrines for taqiyya and kitman?

two or more doctrines for self alienation from normal society?

two or more doctrines for hate speech?

two or more doctrines for torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters?

two or more doctrines for a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer?

Total uniformity of doctrine = monolithic.

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Out of a matter of interest, do you think Yadda is a Christian, despite him quoting extensively from The Old Testament to justify his attitudes towards Muslims and Islam?


Clarify which parts of the O.T. Yadda uses. Elucidate your statement he is a Christian. 
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Reply #44 - Dec 20th, 2014 at 1:03pm
 
*SIGH*

There only difference between the versions of The Bible are the language in which it is written.

Christian core beliefs are the same across all denominations of Christianity.

Christianity is based upon both The Old Testament and The New.

etc., etc., etc., Moses.

In Islam, there are just as many differences in belief as there are Muslims.  Remember, there is nothing between the believer and Allah, according to Islam.   Unlike of course Christianity where there is multiple layers of Priest, Church and doctrine.

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Both Sunni and Shia Muslims share the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and articles of faith. The differences between these two main sub-groups within Islam initially stemmed not from spiritual differences, but political ones. Over the centuries, however, these political differences have spawned a number of varying practices and positions which have come to carry a spiritual significance.

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The first major schism of the Christian Church happened in 1054 when the Eastern half of the Church split from the Western half. This resulted in the Catholic Church continuing as before under the Pope. But the Eastern Church rejected obedience to the Pope as the Supreme Head of the Christian Church as Christ had commanded. The reasons for the schism are as follows:

Culture - The cultures of both halves of the Church were different. This caused the potential for petty misunderstandings that escalated into abuse on both sides.

Power Base - Their centres of power were far from each other. The Pope resided in Rome (Italy), but the subordinate head of the Eastern Church resided in Constantinople (Turkey).

Language - Their languages were different. People in the Western Church spoke Latin. People in the Eastern Church spoke Greek. This difference fuelled confusion.

This division meant that Christians had to be more specific about their religious identity. Where before 1054 every baptised follower of Jesus was a Christian in the Catholic Church, now they had to identify themselves as Catholic (ie Latin Rite Catholic â€" 'Roman Catholic', because the Pope's headquarters were in Rome and they spoke Latin; or 'Eastern Rite Catholic' - a significant number of Eastern Christians remaining faithful to the Pope) or Eastern Orthodox (because their headquarters were in the East â€" also called Greek Orthodox but this is only one branch of it, the majority being Slavic).

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The second major schism in Christianity occurred in 1517 in North Western Europe. (As above, both sides were to blame.) Before this split almost everyone in Western Europe was a baptised Catholic. The people who split from the Church in 1517 were protesting against the corruption that existed within Catholicism at that time. They revolted against the Catholic Church by rejecting the leadership of the Pope and by denying certain articles of faith that Catholics had believed for more than 1,000 years (eg Purgatory, Indulgences, Holy Communion and other Sacraments). They failed to realise the following two facts:

1. That the Church is God's and can never fall into the hands of Satan.

2. That the Church is also a gathering of believers who do not always imitate Jesus.

Shortly after the Protestant Revolution the Catholic Church set about rectifying the abuses and corruption that had led to the Protestants leaving. But, by then, it was too late. Since 1517 more and more Protestant Churches have been formed. All of them differ from each other on key points of doctrine. Only the Catholic Church has remained loyal to the papacy. It is the only Christian Church that can trace an unbroken line back to the first Pope, Peter.

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Clarify which parts of the O.T. Yadda uses. Elucidate your statement he is a Christian.


Read nearly any of his posts, Moses.  Are you another who doesn't read Yadda?  Surely, you should as you're allies?   Roll Eyes
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