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Reply #30 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 12:19pm

wally1 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

I don't see Hindus or Buddhists ripping the world apart. Islam and it's followers want to be boss of the world. They want everybody to be a muslim. The other religions don't care.

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Never heard of any buddhist planning to blow up Lucas heights so they can kill thousands of Australians through radiation poisoning. A bunch of muslims had it planned though. Don't go playing the victim Gandalf. It doesn't wash.

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Reply #31 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 12:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 2:51pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Karnal wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:49am:

The Tamil Tigers invented the suicide vest. The Hare Krishnas stockpiled arms at one point and believed a prophecy they would take over America by force. The Kali cult known as Thugees robbed and killed travellers in 19th century India. They were a huge problem for the British.

Buddhists? I can’t think of any. Taking a human life is very bad karma for Buddhists. The same goes for Hindus, but they’re more flexible. There is a whole caste devoted to war, the Kshatrias, and they’re one down from Brahmins. Sikhs are also quite martial and don’t mind fighting for a cause. Sikhism is a crossover religion between Hinduism and Islam.

But no, I can’t think of anyone as brutal or as dogmatic or as stupid as the Arab Salafist schools. These ones take the cake. This thinking is enticing to fundamentalists. They have one thing the equally fundamentalist haters on sites like this lack - they’re prepared to die for their cause.

They’re dangerous, and they’re not going anywhere. If anything, they’ll multiply. The more shades of grey that get offered up in an increasingly pluralist, morally relative and globalised world, the more the kick back from those who want black and white. Respond in kind, and you give them what they’re after.

And so your response is relentless relativising (aka spineless apologetics) because that's a poke in the eye for the fanatics?

The properly pluralistic answer is Napier's to the Hindus wanting to persist with their little cultural custom of sati. "Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."

Accommodating Muslim and other cultural pathologies - your pluralistic relativising - means that the cultures that do not believe in pluralism - wahabbism, salafism, for example - become dominant. The most intolerant cultures are not embracing tolerance and pluralism. Allowing them in is mad. Letting them globalise themselves is mad. Tolerating intolerance is mad.

So, Soren, you'd prefer a homogenised world? Where everybody is a pale imitation of the sanitised Western culture you glorify so much?

Suttee was a terrible custom but it was India's. You don't think it was wrong for the British to destroy Indian culture when they invaded and conquered the sub-continent?

Would it have been better for the Indians to have come to the decision to end this cultural practice themselves?

And that is the reality of what you preach. You have no tolerance for diversity, even when it is practised within the law of the land as it is in Australia by the overwhelming majority of migrants. When one considers that even the British were immigrants and refused to assimilate to the customs of the Indigenes, it's rather ironic don't you to have their descendants (and their fellow travellers like yourself) declare that all new migrants must conform to their ideas on behaviour? Roll Eyes

Lovely, Brian condones women being burnt alive in the name of diversity. Roll Eyes

Brian will apologise and excuse anything so long as the magic word culture is mentioned.

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Reply #32 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 2:26pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

I don't see Hindus or Buddhists ripping the world apart. Islam and it's followers want to be boss of the world. They want everybody to be a muslim. The other religions don't care.

http://i.imgur.com/HXmJEpV.jpg

Never heard of any buddhist planning to blow up Lucas heights so they can kill thousands of Australians through radiation poisoning. A bunch of muslims had it planned though. Don't go playing the victim Gandalf. It doesn't wash.

Not sure what your smoking but I'm not gandalf.

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Reply #33 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 6:45pm

wally1 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

I don't see Hindus or Buddhists ripping the world apart. Islam and it's followers want to be boss of the world. They want everybody to be a muslim. The other religions don't care.

http://i.imgur.com/HXmJEpV.jpg

, Do buddists contribute to the majority of GLOBAL TERRORIST ACTIVITY worldwide ?? Are certain members of Buddism attacking the western nations, Oh wally ???

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Reply #34 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:15pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 11:01am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 9:07am:

I don't see Hindus or Buddhists ripping the world apart. Islam and it's followers want to be boss of the world. They want everybody to be a muslim. The other religions don't care.

http://i.imgur.com/HXmJEpV.jpg

Never heard of any buddhist planning to blow up Lucas heights so they can kill thousands of Australians through radiation poisoning. A bunch of muslims had it planned though. .

A bunch of Muslims were stopped in the area and questioned by police. The.police told them it’s a secure area and sent them home.

That’s planning to blow up Lucas Heights?

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Reply #35 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:45pm

Over 100 Australian muslims are actively supporting pro islamic terrorist activities.

Over 65 Australian muslims are actively operating as islamic terrorists overseas.

At least 1 Australian muslim has his son of very early years holding up a severed human head

At least 2 Australian muslim women have gone overseas to marry islamic terrorists.

1 Australian muslim recently completed his duty of islamic jihad in Australia, taking hostages, declaring the shahada, then murdering two innocent people, one of them a mother of small innocent children.

2 more Australian muslims were arrested just a few days ago on terror charges.

Australia is on an increased islamic terrorist alert.

171 Australian muslims participating in or supporting islamic terrorism.

2% of our population produced 171 proven islamic terrorists.

100% of the population on these figures (if islam was just another normal society) should have produced 8,550 terrorists.

We have produced nil, therefore Australian muslims are 8,550 times more likely to be a terrorist than any other part of our society.

Muslims must be kept under the strictest of surveillance.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42312	Re: Islam is a religion with problems. not peace. Reply #36 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:55pm Moses, how many Australians - non-Muslims - have been prosecuted as mercenaries in the last 15 years? How many non-Muslim Australians have fought in Israel's various wars? How many non-Muslim Australians fought in say, the Spanish Civil War? Is it the principle or the numbers which concern you?
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Reply #37 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 8:05pm

What concerns me is the present day.

Right here, right now, Australian muslims are supporting and committing the most heinous crimes against humanity, directly as their qur'an tells them to.

In fact present day figures show Australian muslims are 8,550 times more likely to be a terrorist as their religion prescribes,than any other section of our society.

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Reply #38 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 9:54pm

moses wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 8:05pm:

What concerns me is the present day.

Right here, right now, Australian muslims are supporting and committing the most heinous crimes against humanity, directly as their qur'an tells them to.

In fact present day figures show Australian muslims are 8,550 times more likely to be a terrorist as their religion prescribes,than any other section of our society.

Like what kind of heinous crimes?

Dropping drones on civilians?

Riding around tanks bombing people?

Dropping bombs on innocent people?

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Reply #39 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 10:02pm

moses wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:45pm:

Over 100 Australian muslims are actively supporting pro islamic terrorist activities.

Over 65 Australian muslims are actively operating as islamic terrorists overseas.

At least 1 Australian muslim has his son of very early years holding up a severed human head

At least 2 Australian muslim women have gone overseas to marry islamic terrorists.

1 Australian muslim recently completed his duty of islamic jihad in Australia, taking hostages, declaring the shahada, then murdering two innocent people, one of them a mother of small innocent children.

2 more Australian muslims were arrested just a few days ago on terror charges.

Australia is on an increased islamic terrorist alert.

171 Australian muslims participating in or supporting islamic terrorism.

2% of our population produced 171 proven islamic terrorists.

100% of the population on these figures (if islam was just another normal society) should have produced 8,550 terrorists.

We have produced nil, therefore Australian muslims are 8,550 times more likely to be a terrorist than any other part of our society.

Muslims must be kept under the strictest of surveillance.

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Reply #40 - Dec 27^th, 2014 at 10:02pm

moses wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 8:05pm:

What concerns me is the present day.

Never took you for an Existentialism, Moses, particularly when one considers you seem to hold a 2 millennia old set of religious teachings as the epitome of moral learning. Roll Eyes

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Right here, right now, Australian muslims are supporting and committing the most heinous crimes against humanity, directly as their qur'an tells them to.

Some are, without a doubt but as I keep pointing out to you, Moses, the overwhelming majority are not. Why do you not accept that? Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the majority of Muslims don't support these heinous criminals?

Yet, you expect us to accept that the majority of Christians don't support Joseph Kony or follow the teachings of Rev. Fred Phelps?

You don't see any contradiction in your reasoning there? Any at all? Roll Eyes

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In fact present day figures show Australian muslims are 8,550 times more likely to be a terrorist as their religion prescribes,than any other section of our society.

Interesting claim. Care to share your maths with us? Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Moses, how many Australians - non-Muslims - have been prosecuted as mercenaries in the last 15 years?

How many non-Muslim Australians have fought in Israel's various wars?

How many non-Muslim Australians fought in say, the Spanish Civil War?

Is it the principle or the numbers which concern you? Roll Eyes

The IDF doesn't use mercenaries. It is a regular, national army. And it is not only Israel that has both national service and dual citizenship. Korea is an example.

The Spanish Civil was was well more than 15 years ago, duncie.

ISIL is not recognised as a state except by other terrorist organisations, and it takes all sorts of thugs and low-life as long as they are prepared to act Islamically.

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Reply #42 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:44am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Some are, without a doubt but as I keep pointing out to you, Moses, the overwhelming majority are not. Why do you not accept that? Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the majority of Muslims don't support these heinous criminals?

I would like you to explain to us - you seem to have your finger on the pulse of mainstream Muslims - what do they believe in? In particular, which Islamic teaching do they reject from the ones that motivate ISIL? And on what basis are they selective about what Islamic doctrine to accepot and what to rejecvt? What is the prionciple that guides them in this choosing?

To clarify, I am not asking you about the lapsed and non-practicing Muslims. I am asking you about the faithful, practicing, devout Muslims who know their Koran and hadith, dress the part and take Islam seriously.

Please explain, Brain. You seem to know so much about them.

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Reply #43 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:53pm

Soren wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Moses, how many Australians - non-Muslims - have been prosecuted as mercenaries in the last 15 years?

How many non-Muslim Australians have fought in Israel's various wars?

How many non-Muslim Australians fought in say, the Spanish Civil War?

Is it the principle or the numbers which concern you? Roll Eyes

The IDF doesn't use mercenaries. It is a regular, national army. And it is not only Israel that has both national service and dual citizenship. Korea is an example.

I didn't claim it was a mercenary force or that it used mercenaries, Soren.

As usual, your antipathy towards me makes you grab the wrong end of the stick.

I purposefully placed the two statements in separate paragraphs so that even you could see they were separate in intent. Roll Eyes

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The Spanish Civil was was well more than 15 years ago, duncie.

Again, the wrong end of the stick. When did I claim it was more recent than 15 years. Again, two separate paragraphs to indicate separate intent. Australians fought in the Civil War, on both sides. True/False? Roll Eyes

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ISIL is not recognised as a state except by other terrorist organisations, and it takes all sorts of thugs and low-life as long as they are prepared to act Islamically.

Yep, sure do. Who, here, has claimed otherwise, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Reply #44 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 5:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

Moses, how many Australians - non-Muslims - have been prosecuted as mercenaries in the last 15 years?

How many non-Muslim Australians have fought in Israel's various wars?

How many non-Muslim Australians fought in say, the Spanish Civil War?

Is it the principle or the numbers which concern you? Roll Eyes

The IDF doesn't use mercenaries. It is a regular, national army. And it is not only Israel that has both national service and dual citizenship. Korea is an example.

I didn't claim it was a mercenary force or that it used mercenaries, Soren.

As usual, your antipathy towards me makes you grab the wrong end of the stick.

I purposefully placed the two statements in separate paragraphs so that even you could see they were separate in intent. Roll Eyes

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The Spanish Civil was was well more than 15 years ago, duncie.

Again, the wrong end of the stick. When did I claim it was more recent than 15 years. Again, two separate paragraphs to indicate separate intent. Australians fought in the Civil War, on both sides. True/False? Roll Eyes

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ISIL is not recognised as a state except by other terrorist organisations, and it takes all sorts of thugs and low-life as long as they are prepared to act Islamically.

Yep, sure do. Who, here, has claimed otherwise, Soren? Roll Eyes

moses made a coherent list of statements which hung together by a common thread.

In response, you made 4 statements which were not only unrelated to what moses said but to each other.

Brain is the word.

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