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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #90 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 2:04pm:

So 9/11 wasn't Islamic terrorism?

no, it was Al qaeda terrorism.

Did the US declare war on Islam or Al qaeda? Cheesy

Just declare that Islamic terrorism doesn't exist so everyone knows not to waste time replying to you.

was the question to difficult for you?

Reality is too difficult for you. You now want to excuse Islam for everything.

9/11 has nothing to do with Islam, it was Taliba... I mean Al Qaeda

It seems as if you wanted to argue devil's advocate but have got so sucked into your own arguments you now believe it and don't know when to stop.

9/11... Nuffen to do with Islam.

No such thing as Islamic terrorist... Just one off nuts...

please don't try to ad lib what I say, especially when it is so obvious you don't even understand it ...

I didn't say it had nothing to do with Islam. Obviously it does, Islam is the excuse these nutters use to justify their actions.

Just like last Monday.

But if Islam didn't say to kill the infidel; If it didn't promise rewards in the afterlife for killing in this one; If these people didn't have their minds twisted by Islamic doctrine and the commands of the Quran; the WTC would still be standing, and martin place wouldn't look like a flower garden.

You obviously have the order of things messed up. These people don't do horrible things then justify it by pointing to Islam. Islam drives these people to do horrible things. Like the KKK, like the nazis, like many other groups that have done horrible things, the ideas and hopes of these groups is what drives people to do such awful acts.

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #91 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:42pm

issuevoter wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 5:24pm:

anyone can cherry pick controversial quotes Moses ... how many controversial ones do you think are in the bible?

Well . . . if we must indulge in relativism, cherry picking Mein Kampf would not change the fact that it was Hitler's Story.

I didn't realise Monis wrote the quran .. Cheesy

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Reply #92 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:47pm

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Just like last Monday. But if Islam didn't say to kill the infidel; If it didn't promise rewards in the afterlife for killing in this one; If these people didn't have their minds twisted by Islamic doctrine and the commands of the Quran; the WTC would still be standing, and martin place wouldn't look like a flower garden. You obviously have the order of things messed up. These people don't do horrible things then justify it by pointing to Islam. Islam drives these people to do horrible things. Like the KKK, like the nazis, like many other groups that have done horrible things, the ideas and hopes of these groups is what drives people to do such awful acts.

Islam doesn't drive these nutters, the nutters use Islam as their excuse. The bible also has many versus that call for death and murder, yet you don't blame Christianity when people kill in gods name. Whats the difference?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #93 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 7:08pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Just like last Monday. But if Islam didn't say to kill the infidel; If it didn't promise rewards in the afterlife for killing in this one; If these people didn't have their minds twisted by Islamic doctrine and the commands of the Quran; the WTC would still be standing, and martin place wouldn't look like a flower garden. You obviously have the order of things messed up. These people don't do horrible things then justify it by pointing to Islam. Islam drives these people to do horrible things. Like the KKK, like the nazis, like many other groups that have done horrible things, the ideas and hopes of these groups is what drives people to do such awful acts.

Islam doesn't drive these nutters, the nutters use Islam as their excuse. The bible also has many versus that call for death and murder, yet you don't blame Christianity when people kill in gods name. Whats the difference?

You just proved my point. The bible does have verses calling to kill others. So why do all these one of nuts looking for an excuse always use Islam? Islam must be the unluckiest philosophy in the world to have all these one off nutter always using it to justify their behaviour when there are other options.

Obviously they not looking for justification for their actions. Their actions are being driven by what they believe. Christians who take their faith seriously do what their faith tells them to do; Don't fight with the sword and turn the other cheek. Muslims who take their faith seriously do what their faith tells them; Kill infidels to get virgins in the afterlife. People don't decide to blow themselves up and then look for justification for doing so. Instead, their minds are so twisted by a perverse worldview that they are convinced that blowing themselves up is the right thing to do. Islamic beliefs are what twists the minds of people to do that.

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Reply #95 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:34pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Just like last Monday. But if Islam didn't say to kill the infidel; If it didn't promise rewards in the afterlife for killing in this one; If these people didn't have their minds twisted by Islamic doctrine and the commands of the Quran; the WTC would still be standing, and martin place wouldn't look like a flower garden. You obviously have the order of things messed up. These people don't do horrible things then justify it by pointing to Islam. Islam drives these people to do horrible things. Like the KKK, like the nazis, like many other groups that have done horrible things, the ideas and hopes of these groups is what drives people to do such awful acts.

Islam doesn't drive these nutters, the nutters use Islam as their excuse. The bible also has many versus that call for death and murder, yet you don't blame Christianity when people kill in gods name. Whats the difference?

Islam tells them to do it. And they do it EXACTLY as Islam tells them to do it.

Islam wants submission. That suits a nutter who wants to impose himself on others and wants them to submit. If you are a Muslims and want to terrorise others into submiussion, you are not mad, you are impeccably Islamic.
You can't terrorise people into love. Trying to is by definition is madness. Terrorising into submission is cold sober sanity.

That's the difference.

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #96 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:57pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

Is Islam a monolithic religion? Grin

Er... yes.

They will kill you if you want to leave it. Happens every day.

They will also kill you for all sorts of other mild transgressions. For example, you can't draw pictures of Mohammed. They get really stroppy about that. Or write a book about Mohammed that is not completely fawning.

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jackmountain Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 350 Gender:	Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist Reply #97 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 10:25pm \|dev\|null wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:04am: How many times have we been told by Matty/Moses/Yadda/etc. that Christians committing atrocities cannot be taken on their word that they are Christians? Just read the doctrine thick head.
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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #98 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Just like last Monday. But if Islam didn't say to kill the infidel; If it didn't promise rewards in the afterlife for killing in this one; If these people didn't have their minds twisted by Islamic doctrine and the commands of the Quran; the WTC would still be standing, and martin place wouldn't look like a flower garden. You obviously have the order of things messed up. These people don't do horrible things then justify it by pointing to Islam. Islam drives these people to do horrible things. Like the KKK, like the nazis, like many other groups that have done horrible things, the ideas and hopes of these groups is what drives people to do such awful acts.

Islam doesn't drive these nutters, the nutters use Islam as their excuse. The bible also has many versus that call for death and murder, yet you don't blame Christianity when people kill in gods name. Whats the difference?

You just proved my point. The bible does have verses calling to kill others. So why do all these one of nuts looking for an excuse always use Islam? Islam must be the unluckiest philosophy in the world to have all these one off nutter always using it to justify their behaviour when there are other options.

Other options, eh? You mean like the Coalition of the Willing? The USSR? Mother England?

How about unlucky philosophies like Communism, Maoism, Nazism, Fascism, Bushidoism, or British Imperialism?

Why have all of the past century’s nuts always used the above and had nothing to.do with Islam? Why is Islam only used today and not yesterday or the day before or the day before that?

I mean this as a serious question. Why do you think?

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #99 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:16pm

Soren wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Just like last Monday. But if Islam didn't say to kill the infidel; If it didn't promise rewards in the afterlife for killing in this one; If these people didn't have their minds twisted by Islamic doctrine and the commands of the Quran; the WTC would still be standing, and martin place wouldn't look like a flower garden. You obviously have the order of things messed up. These people don't do horrible things then justify it by pointing to Islam. Islam drives these people to do horrible things. Like the KKK, like the nazis, like many other groups that have done horrible things, the ideas and hopes of these groups is what drives people to do such awful acts.

Islam doesn't drive these nutters, the nutters use Islam as their excuse. The bible also has many versus that call for death and murder, yet you don't blame Christianity when people kill in gods name. Whats the difference?

Islam tells them to do it. And they do it EXACTLY as Islam tells them to do it.

Islam wants submission. That suits a nutter who wants to impose himself on others and wants them to submit. If you are a Muslims and want to terrorise others into submiussion, you are not mad, you are impeccably Islamic.
You can't terrorise people into love. Trying to is by definition is madness. Terrorising into submission is cold sober sanity.

That's the difference.

Ah yes, old boy, but what did Jesus tell you to do?

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #100 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:17pm

jackmountain wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 10:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:04am:

How many times have we been told by Matty/Moses/Yadda/etc. that Christians committing atrocities cannot be taken on their word that they are Christians? Grin

Just read the doctrine thick head.

Is there a doctrine?

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #102 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 2:35am

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

The terrorist had hostages post videos online saying it was an attack by the Islamic state

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

he was a psycho who tried to gain some sort of credibility/ acceptability by using his religion

What rubbish!

really?

what terrorist groupp was he a member off?

ISLAM.

Yadda said....

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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

TRUTH.

All cognisant moslems themselves, know this to be true, and deny and hide this criminal intent from their non-moslem host communities.

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The devout moslem has the mindset of RIGHTEOUS HATRED, towards all infidels [.....i.e. BECAUSE THEY ARE INFIDELS!!]

We can see this mindset here, in another report.....
e.g.

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Islamists: "Destruction is a Matter of Time"

by Mitchell Bard • November 25, 2014 at 5:00 am

"If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them?

Of course not.

The Jews are infidels not because I say so but because Allah does...

They aren't our enemies because they occupy Palestine;

they would be our enemies even if they had not occupied anything."
— Muhammad Hussein Ya'qub, Egyptian cleric.........

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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #103 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 2:47am

Good riddance wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

When a girl guide goes out and kills a Black man in the name of the girl guides, then it is very obvious she is nuts. But when a bloke from the KKK goes out and kills a Black man in the name of the KKK, then it is very obvious what the root cause is.

There is a reason why all these "lone psychos" keep killing in the name of Islam.

Saying it has nothing to do with Islam is like saying the Nazi officer who killed a Jew had nothing to do with being a Nazi.

Choosing to follow the ideas of Islam is no different then choosing to follow the ideas of the KKK or the Nazis.

All result in the killing of others for their own advancement.

For the KKK it is the blacks.

For the nazis it is the Jews.

For the Muslim it is the infidels.

Well said, Anti-Anthrax.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #104 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 3:03am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:53pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:50pm:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/16/sydney-siege-dont-call-man-...

Sydney siege: don't call Man Haron Monis a 'terrorist' - it only helps Isis

Worth a read.

Indeed.

Moreover, I wish they'd remove his picture from all news sites.

Stop promoting this criminal.

Focus on the victims, if you really must drag out the story, but don't mention this criminal's name and don't show his picture.

Suppress the examination and scrutiny of information, which may portray an IDEA, a PERCEPTION, which you do not agree with [....which you do not want to be examined!].

Do not allow the idea the suggestion that Haron Monis WAS A MOSLEM to be widely scrutinised.

greggerypeccary,

Where did you learn such 'crimestop' ???

Were you an emigre from Stalinist Russia ??? Shocked

Quote:

crimestop: to rid oneself of unwanted thoughts, i.e., thoughts that interfere with the ideology of the Party. This way, a person avoids committing thoughtcrime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Newspeak_wordsi
Dictionary;

bigot = =
a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

n.b.
Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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