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Reply #30 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:04pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

You know why I don't respond to you often, it's because it's an exercise in frustration. You just don't listen or think. Hot Load is just as bad

I listen to what you say, I just don't swallow it .... you keep repeating the same thing thinking that supposed to convince someone ... it doesn't, no matter how often you say it.

Every terrorism expert I've seen commenting on this is saying this is not a terrorist attack, but rather the work of a lone psycho who is only using Islam to try and present some sort of credibility ... I'm supposed to disregard the experts advice over yours? Why? Because you think you are right? Cheesy

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75019 Gender:	Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist Reply #31 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:06pm Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:44am: He certainly perpetuated a terrorist act which makes him a terrorist. all violent criminal acts have some level of terrorism ... punch a bloke in the face and he'll feel terrorised ... does that make you a terrorist?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59064 Here Gender:	Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist Reply #32 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm I see a fair bit of grey in this one, I am not sure either way but tend to see it as more a lone attack not associated with IS although he was probably influenced by them.
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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #33 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

The terrorist had hostages post videos online saying it was an attack by the Islamic state

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

he was a psycho who tried to gain some sort of credibility/ acceptability by using his religion

What rubbish!

really? what terrorist groupp was he a member off?

If you listen to the videos the hostages were forced to make they say this was an attack by the Islamic state ...

The last I heard, no terrorist group had claimed him as one of theirs.

Has that changed?

Doesn't matter. You don't have to be in a group to be a terrorist.

So you admit that was not affiliated with any organised terrorist group (or any disorganised one, for that matter)?

Don't know and it doesn't matter. You don't know either. Anyway Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist he did it alone.

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #34 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

I see a fair bit of grey in this one, I am not sure either way but tend to see it as more a lone attack not associated with IS although he was probably influenced by them.

The Islamic state have been calling for lone wolf attacks, perhaps you should read their glossy magazine called Dabiq.

Try google for Dabiq, download the IS magazine and read it for yourself.

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #35 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:11pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:04pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

You know why I don't respond to you often, it's because it's an exercise in frustration. You just don't listen or think. Hot Load is just as bad

I listen to what you say, I just don't swallow it .... you keep repeating the same thing thinking that supposed to convince someone ... it doesn't, no matter how often you say it.

Every terrorism expert I've seen commenting on this is saying this is not a terrorist attack, but rather the work of a lone psycho who is only using Islam to try and present some sort of credibility ... I'm supposed to disregard the experts advice over yours? Why? Because you think you are right? Cheesy

Put it to a poll- Did Monis commit an act of terrorism? Yes or No. Put your money where your mouth is.

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #36 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:15pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

The terrorist had hostages post videos online saying it was an attack by the Islamic state

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

he was a psycho who tried to gain some sort of credibility/ acceptability by using his religion

What rubbish!

really? what terrorist groupp was he a member off?

If you listen to the videos the hostages were forced to make they say this was an attack by the Islamic state ...

The last I heard, no terrorist group had claimed him as one of theirs.

Has that changed?

Doesn't matter. You don't have to be in a group to be a terrorist.

So you admit that was not affiliated with any organised terrorist group (or any disorganised one, for that matter)?

Don't know and it doesn't matter. You don't know either. Anyway Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist he did it alone.

So what makes this dead criminal a terrorist?

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #37 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:16pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

I see a fair bit of grey in this one, I am not sure either way but tend to see it as more a lone attack not associated with IS although he was probably influenced by them.

Sounds fair and reasonable. I hope me agreeing with you does not discomfort you too much.

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #39 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:17pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

He certainly perpetuated a terrorist act which makes him a terrorist. Add in the fact that he's muslim and incorporated Islamic beliefs in this act such as a jihad flag and other things , makes him an Islamic terrorist.

He certainly perpetuated a terrorist act which makes him a terrorist

Yes in the same manner as Martin Bryant was a terrorist ?

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #40 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

The terrorist had hostages post videos online saying it was an attack by the Islamic state

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

he was a psycho who tried to gain some sort of credibility/ acceptability by using his religion

What rubbish!

really? what terrorist groupp was he a member off?

If you listen to the videos the hostages were forced to make they say this was an attack by the Islamic state ...

The last I heard, no terrorist group had claimed him as one of theirs.

Has that changed?

Doesn't matter. You don't have to be in a group to be a terrorist.

So you admit that was not affiliated with any organised terrorist group (or any disorganised one, for that matter)?

Don't know and it doesn't matter. You don't know either. Anyway Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist he did it alone.

So what makes this dead criminal a terrorist?

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #41 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:19pm

Datalife wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

I see a fair bit of grey in this one, I am not sure either way but tend to see it as more a lone attack not associated with IS although he was probably influenced by them.

Sounds fair and reasonable. I hope me agreeing with you does not discomfort you too much.

Not at all, I often agree with your views.

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #42 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:21pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:40am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 10:47am:

The terrorist had hostages post videos online saying it was an attack by the Islamic state

John Smith wrote on Dec 19^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

he was a psycho who tried to gain some sort of credibility/ acceptability by using his religion

What rubbish!

really? what terrorist groupp was he a member off?

If you listen to the videos the hostages were forced to make they say this was an attack by the Islamic state ...

The last I heard, no terrorist group had claimed him as one of theirs.

Has that changed?

Doesn't matter. You don't have to be in a group to be a terrorist.

So you admit that was not affiliated with any organised terrorist group (or any disorganised one, for that matter)?

Don't know and it doesn't matter. You don't know either. Anyway Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist he did it alone.

So what makes this dead criminal a terrorist?

Well?

He was a crazy criminal: nobody is denying that.

Surely though, you don't think all criminals are terrorists.

So, what is it that makes you believe he was a terrorist, as opposed to an attention seeking, violent, lunatic criminal?

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Re: Let’s be honest ManHaron Monis was an IS terrorist
Reply #43 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:23pm

There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives” (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

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Reply #44 - Dec 19^th, 2014 at 12:23pm

When a girl guide goes out and kills a Black man in the name of the girl guides, then it is very obvious she is nuts. But when a bloke from the KKK goes out and kills a Black man in the name of the KKK, then it is very obvious what the root cause is.

There is a reason why all these "lone psychos" keep killing in the name of Islam. Saying it has nothing to do with Islam is like saying the Nazi officer who killed a Jew had nothing to do with being a Nazi. Choosing to follow the ideas of Islam is no different then choosing to follow the ideas of the KKK or the Nazis. All result in the killing of others for their own advancement. For the KKK it is the blacks. For the nazis it is the Jews. For the Muslim it is the infidels.

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