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Reply #15 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:33pm

Lobo wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:26pm:

The big thing that worries me about this affair is the Australian authorities knew in advance what was going on and did nothing to prevent some of them from leaving the country.
In no way am I condoning the actions, greed, or stupidity of those involved.

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WHEN Lee Rush learned in April 2005 that his son Scott was off to Bali, he felt sick.

Scott had no money, no passport - as far as his father knew - and a history of drug use. Rush phoned an old lawyer friend, Robert Myers, who voiced his worst fears: that Scott might be travelling as a paid courier to carry drugs.

The two men agreed the 19-year-old had to be stopped. Myers rang a contact in the Australian Federal Police and asked him to have Scott intercepted before he left the country, on suspicion of illegal activity. By his account, he was assured this would happen.

But the AFP took a different course. Instead, as the young Queenslander was preparing to fly out of Australia, the AFP tipped off their counterparts in the Indonesian National Police. Nine days later Rush was arrested with three other mules at Bali's Denpasar airport as they were about to return home with nearly 8kg of heroin strapped to their bodies. In September 2006 an Indonesian court sentenced Rush to death.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/how-the-afp-trapped-the-bali-nine/...

I feel sorry for the father ... the guilt will destroy him

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:39pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

The Australian govt should make them care

just remember, they buy a lot more from us then we do from them .... the australian govt's not going to do poo

True.
And stand for nothing...and as a result get booted out of office at the next election...which will serve them right for being 'wimps' and 'boot lickers'.
How many times have Abbott, Bishop and co been to Indonesia now?
They just got 'slapped in the face' and 'bashed up' by Indonesia and its President...bigtime!
...and kicked to the kerb!
So much for all the ASEAN group hugs. Grin

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Reply #17 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:39pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:33pm:

Lobo wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:26pm:

The big thing that worries me about this affair is the Australian authorities knew in advance what was going on and did nothing to prevent some of them from leaving the country.
In no way am I condoning the actions, greed, or stupidity of those involved.

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WHEN Lee Rush learned in April 2005 that his son Scott was off to Bali, he felt sick.

Scott had no money, no passport - as far as his father knew - and a history of drug use. Rush phoned an old lawyer friend, Robert Myers, who voiced his worst fears: that Scott might be travelling as a paid courier to carry drugs.

The two men agreed the 19-year-old had to be stopped. Myers rang a contact in the Australian Federal Police and asked him to have Scott intercepted before he left the country, on suspicion of illegal activity. By his account, he was assured this would happen.

But the AFP took a different course. Instead, as the young Queenslander was preparing to fly out of Australia, the AFP tipped off their counterparts in the Indonesian National Police. Nine days later Rush was arrested with three other mules at Bali's Denpasar airport as they were about to return home with nearly 8kg of heroin strapped to their bodies. In September 2006 an Indonesian court sentenced Rush to death.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/how-the-afp-trapped-the-bali-nine/...

I feel sorry for the father ... the guilt will destroy him

From the Horse's Mouth ~ Bob Myers QC on Australian Story.

Link.

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Reply #18 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:50pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:26pm:

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

We can certainly criticise them for having barbaric laws.

you do that ... whereas, I'll criticise those who break their law ... even more so since the penalty is so extreme

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

They're pretending to be civilised...

no ones pretending to be anything ... it is you who has label them as civillised or barbaric .. I don't think they care what you think

They don't care what anyone thinks.
The Australian govt should make them care...or cut them adrift, put the national cheque book back in the safe, and ignore them forevermore.
Stop giving them money, food, trade, travel etc and the time of day.
Boot their ambassador and all their companies, businesses and students out.
Tell them to f off, and disconnect the phone.

Why....because they have capital punishment? If so, we better get busy with this lot for starters:

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

All 'barbaric' too!
Always has been...and still is.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/george-stinney-14-exonerated-70-years...

Exonerated ... Stinney was a small, frail boy who said whatever he thought would make authorities happy. (AP Photo/South Carolina Department of Archives and History, File) Source: AP

MORE than 70 years after the state of South Carolina sent a 14-year-old black boy to the electric chair after the killings of two white girls in a segregated mill town, a judge threw out his conviction, saying the state committed a great injustice.

George Stinney was arrested, convicted of murder in a one-day trial and executed in 1944 — all in the span of about three months and without an appeal. The speed in which South Carolina meted out justice against the youngest person executed in the United States in the 20th century was shocking and extremely unfair, Circuit Judge Carmen Mullen wrote in her ruling Wednesday.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38580 Gender:	Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon Reply #19 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:54pm No need to get wound up. I am and always have been bitterly opposed to capital punishment. My point is that there is no need to focus just on Indonesia, when there are many so called 'civilised States' where it exists among one of our closest allies
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Reply #20 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

No need to get wound up. I am and always have been bitterly opposed to capital punishment. My point is that there is no need to focus just on Indonesia, when there are many so called 'civilised States' where it exists among one of our closest allies

Not wound up.
I'm posting in a cool, calm, rational, and quiet voice. Wink

Yes, our closest ally USA, ...but its death chambers are still 'barbaric' and 'uncivilised'.

Indonesia is a disgrace...time we/our govt treated it as such.

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Reply #21 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 8:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:54pm:

No need to get wound up. I am and always have been bitterly opposed to capital punishment. My point is that there is no need to focus just on Indonesia, when there are many so called 'civilised States' where it exists among one of our closest allies

Not wound up.
I'm posting in a cool, calm, rational, and quiet voice. Wink

Yes, our closest ally USA, ...but its death chambers are still 'barbaric' and 'uncivilised'.

Indonesia is a disgrace...time we/our govt treated it as such.

Why stop there?

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Reply #22 - Dec 20^th, 2014 at 8:35pm

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

www.theage.com.au/world/indonesias-mixed-messages-on-fate-of-drug-traffickers-on...

White aprons will be hung carefully...

bambu, when tourist alight at Ngurah Rai Airport they might observe a sign that says Welcome to Indonesia. Tourists might take the time to consider what the sign means. It's Indonesia not Australia. Why don't we let the Indonesians run their country as they see fit. Let's call a halt to all this polypragmonic behaviour by hand-wringers and concentrate on living.

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Reply #23 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 7:14am

salad in wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 8:35pm:

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

www.theage.com.au/world/indonesias-mixed-messages-on-fate-of-drug-traffickers-on...

White aprons will be hung carefully...

bambu, when tourist alight at Ngurah Rai Airport they might observe a sign that says Welcome to Indonesia. Tourists might take the time to consider what the sign means. It's Indonesia not Australia. Why don't we let the Indonesians run their country as they see fit. Let's call a halt to all this polypragmonic behaviour by hand-wringers and concentrate on living.

More like 'take our money and help then slap us in the face and use us as a doormat' Indonesia/ns.
The people who say that "Indonesia/ns hate Australia/ns" seem to be correct.
What other conclusion can they be expected to reach...given this;

http://www.theage.com.au/world/indonesian-president-joko-widodo-hardens-line-on-...

Jakarta: Indonesia's President has entrenched his hard line against mercy for drug offenders on death row, stressing he "will never" grant them clemency.

"There are 64 [people] sentenced to death by the courts and as I've said about clemency request for drugs cases, I will never give clemency," he said at an event in Jakarta.

"Never will. Never will.

"I'm stressing this again and again so that it's all clear, so there will be no one who thinks that death penalty is [given] by the President.

"The sentence is from the courts and we don't give forgiveness or clemency."

Mr Joko received applause for the comments, made at a function in Jakarta.

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Oh no you don't Joko...their deaths are on your head...their blood is on your hands.

Yes, they're cheering in Indonesia for the execution-slaughter of our people on death row.

Oh the absolute hate!

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Reply #24 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 7:48am

http://www.theage.com.au/world/indonesian-president-joko-widodo-hardens-line-on-...

Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman Armanatha Nasir said other countries should respect Indonesia's legal processes, even though it campaigns to save its own citizens from execution overseas.

"When we talk about death sentence there's the process of others, and domestically, there's our process," he told reporters.

"We respect their process abroad and so they should also respect ours."

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No you don't!
Indonesia is a hypocritical joke...and nasty.

http://www.canada.com/story_print.html?id=b5a59e69-58ef-4d01-8110-af99a336e6ff&s...

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The execution a week ago of Ruyati binti Sapubi, 54, has caused public outrage in Indonesia, prompting the Jakarta government of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to take stern action against the Riyadh regime.

Indonesian revulsion at the barbarity of the Saudi system has been stoked by the failure of Riyadh authorities to tell Jakarta's ambassador that the execution was to take place and then allowing a video of the beheading to be available on a website.

The situation has been given even more momentum with the news last week from Indonesia's minister of justice and human rights, Patrialis Akbar, that another 22 of the country's citizens are awaiting execution by the sword in Saudi Arabia.

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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #25 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 8:02am

bambu wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 7:14am:

salad in wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 8:35pm:

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

www.theage.com.au/world/indonesias-mixed-messages-on-fate-of-drug-traffickers-on...

White aprons will be hung carefully...

bambu, when tourist alight at Ngurah Rai Airport they might observe a sign that says Welcome to Indonesia. Tourists might take the time to consider what the sign means. It's Indonesia not Australia. Why don't we let the Indonesians run their country as they see fit. Let's call a halt to all this polypragmonic behaviour by hand-wringers and concentrate on living.

More like 'take our money and help then slap us in the face and use us as a doormat' Indonesia/ns.
The people who say that "Indonesia/ns hate Australia/ns" seem to be correct.

Yes, they're cheering in Indonesia for the execution-slaughter of our people on death row.

Oh the absolute hate!

Of course the Indonesians hate us. Does that mean we can't return that hate in spades. I regard the Indonesians as pure filth.

Also, Chan and Sukumaran are NOT Australians; they are drug dealers happy to sell their product to willing buyers without a thought as to whether the user might die or not. Take both of them out with the trash.

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Reply #26 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 9:46am

The AFP did the sensible thing when they tipped off the Indonesians.

Several million dollars saved to the Australian taxpayer for police-work, court cases, jail-time, and endless appeals ... with the money now going towards our own drug rehabilitation centres where addicts are weaned off their soul-destroying habits.

It's all worked out very nicely. Plenty of cause for celebration.

A win-win result for everyone except the guilty ~ and that's as it should be.

I personally wouldn't have them shot, but would have them in jail for a minimum of 30 years not so much as a punishment, but just to keep them off the streets and away from our kids.

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Reply #28 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 11:54am

I have not, do not, and will not support the State-sanctioned murder that is the death penalty
except in the most extreme of circumstances, and with 100% irrefutable proof of guilt.

Imposing the DP for dealing or using drugs (ANY drugs) is simply obscene, and is a far worse
crime than the one it's supposedly punishing.

It is a primitive, barbaric form of 'justice' which has no place in any country which wishes to
be regarded as a civilised, advanced or enlightened society. Its primary driving motivation is
vengeance, cruelty &/or sadism, justice has absolutely nothing to do with it, and never did.

By all means let this mob do some hard, lengthy time (not life without parole, as that is also
manifestly excessive for the crime). But by killing them, or supporting/calling for them to be
killed, you lower yourself to WAY below their level.

Quite frankly, the DP should be a crime under international law, with harsh sanctions applied
to any country which practices it.

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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #29 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 11:57am

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

they knew the risks and they took them ... they have no one else to blame but themselves ...

you certainly can't blame the Indonesians for enforcing their laws.

Of course you can.
They're pretending to be civilised ...what a joke.
Just a human rights wasteland in reality.

Bob Hawke called Malaysia 'barbaric' when they execution-hanged Barlow and Chambers.
Hopefully he'll do the same to Indonesia when they execution-shred Chan [now a Christian, mentored by The Salvation Army] and Sukumaran soon.

Abbott needs to start a 'war' with Indonesia over this, fire up and stand for something!
The mamby pamby, PC drivel he goes on with about Indonesia, running up there all the time and seemingly licking their boots...is a big part of why he's way behind in the polls.

don't hold back. tell us what you REALLY think.

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