Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:



Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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Time for fence-sitting is over.

The Bali9 were kids...Chan and Sukumaran only 22 and 23 or so.
That aside...Australia has asked Indonesia nicely, basically begged [which many in Indonesia seem to enjoy] not to execution-slaughter her children.
Indonesia has basically told Australia to f off.
So much for all those ASEAN/APEC hugs!  LOL

Bishop wrote a letter and Abbott has made a personal plea for mercy.
Indonesia has basically just swatted them away...blown them off in the wind.
...made fools of them in front of the world.
What are Bishop and Abbott gonna do about it?
Absolutely nothing.
Hopefully they'll get booted out of office at the next election...and Newman will be booted out of office in Qld in 2 weeks time.
Newman has been an even bigger disappointment that the Abbott govt.

bambu wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:29am:



what more can they do?? what would you do????...maybe they will get the hint..

as it is....

its a bit ,like the Charlie Hebdo....consequences.....

these guys were warned.. they KNEW the risk it wasnt a surprise to them... I have never been to Bali but I understand warnings are all around.. and even other countries warn you when you book your tickets.....

respect other countries LAWS....

it really is that simple....like them or not Indonesaia has as much right to their LAWS as we are without interference....

every PM Australia has had has done what they can for these stupid people...who thought they were above the LAW...

as it is we are lucky that all 9 are not on death row....

maybe you didnt see the SBS film A Better Man.. it was cruel....and heartbreaking...and not a thing the govt could do to stop it....

but at the end of the day..

the blame lies fair and square at the feet of the people that TAKE THAT RISK..

another way to look at it is...

when these boys were doing their drug runs and getting away with it.. did they care for those that would die because of the drugs they brought into this country?????????....or even the lives they wrecked.

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:37am:



http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/indonesia-executes-six-drug-convicts-includi...

Indonesia has put to death six people convicted of drugs offences, including five foreigners, in the first executions carried out under new President Joko Widodo.

Two women were among those executed by firing squad, in a move swiftly condemned by Amnesty International as "seriously regressive".
The foreigners hailed from Brazil, the Netherlands, Vietnam, Malawi and Nigeria.

The European Union had earlier urged Jakarta not to go ahead with the executions, with foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini calling the plan "deeply regrettable".

Before the executions, the EU's Mogherini had sought to ramp up pressure on Jakarta, describing the death penalty as "a cruel and inhumane punishment, which fails to act as a deterrent and represents an unacceptable denial of human dignity and integrity".

Dutch Foreign Affairs spokesman Friso Wijnen last week insisted the Netherlands would "go to the highest levels" to prevent Ang being put to death.

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All the 'BS' rhetoric failed, as it was always going to...as Indonesia has worked out that the UN, Holland, Britain, Australia etc are not actually going to DO anything in revenge against it for execution-homiciding their citizens.
Indonesia has worked out that 'plastic spines' abound in the 'Christian' West.

Indonesia won't change until it's made change.
There must be consequences, major consequences, for Indonesia if it kills Chan and Sukumaran.

Abbott professes to be a Christian...and as such he should be making it very clear to Muslim Indonesia that there will be serious consequences if it kills Australians.

. No more aid money ever.
. No more live cattle exports [which should be stopped anyway].
. No more dead cattle and other food exports.
. All Indonesian nationals booted out of Australia.
. The Indonesian ambassador made pack up all his belongings days before the execution-homicides...and the secret police on standby to kick him out as soon as the bullets are fired.
No secret police?
About time we got some!
. All flights to Bali banned.

...for starters.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:09am:


You're missing the whole point.
Indonesia is treating Australia and our leaders with utter contemp...and it's about time our leaders did something about it, not just speak words that amount to nothing much.

http://rt.com/news/223759-ambassadors-recall-indonesia-executions/

Brazil, Netherlands recall Indonesia ambassadors after citizens executed on drug charges

Brazil has condemned the executions and recalled its ambassador in Jakarta for consultations, adding that the event may affect bilateral relations between the two countries.

“The use of the death penalty, which the world society increasingly condemns, affects severely the relationship of our countries,” the Brazilian presidency said in a statement, as quoted by Reuters.

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Good.
Finally some leaders with some steel spine who'll stand up to Muslim Indonesia.
Not Abbott and Co though, they're obviously happy to just let Indonesia to treat us with utter contempt.
The way Abbott's going he won't likely last another month as PM...all his own fault.
He's living in the past. He needs to get with the 2015 program.

He also needs to start a 'war' with Indonesia over the death sentences and impending execution-slaughtering of Australian citizens.
He needs to stand for something, stand up and be counted...fire up!

ian wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:


I'd like to see the link to that, please.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:


Yet the Australian Government has been quite brazenly attempting to influence the course of Justice in another Country.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:


Indonesia doesn't even have to intervene.   We have half wits like Gillian Triggs lobbying to get (Indonesian and other) murderers out of jail and demanding they be paid compensation.