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Reply #165 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

ian wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:50pm:

a recent poll had 92 percent of australians supporting the death penalty for these 2

I'd like to see the link to that, please.

Links take all the fun out of the conservative sport of making up random numbers to support whatever they like.

You mean like just conjuring up a $1.5bn surplus that will be delivered come hell or high water?

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Reply #166 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

bambu wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

You're missing the whole point.
Indonesia is treating Australia and our leaders with utter contemp...,

No its not at all.

Indonesia - along with Malaysia and Singapore - have a well publicised policy of zero tolerance and the death sentence for drug traffiking.

They are not putting these people on death row for their nationality - they are putting them up for execution because that is the rule of law there.

Who on earth is Australia or its leaders to tell Indonesia what to hand down as a sentence in its own country for crimes committed in its own country?

How would Australia like it if an Indonesian man committed a rape in Sydney and was sentenced to prison but Indonesia intervened and said it would like the sentence reduced?

The arrogance here that Australians think it can tell Indonesia what to hand down as a sentence is quite breath-taking.

Yet the Australian Government has been quite brazenly attempting to influence the course of Justice in another Country.

So did the AFP only the other way.

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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #167 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:45pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

bambu wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

You're missing the whole point.
Indonesia is treating Australia and our leaders with utter contemp...,

No its not at all.

Indonesia - along with Malaysia and Singapore - have a well publicised policy of zero tolerance and the death sentence for drug traffiking.

They are not putting these people on death row for their nationality - they are putting them up for execution because that is the rule of law there.

Who on earth is Australia or its leaders to tell Indonesia what to hand down as a sentence in its own country for crimes committed in its own country?

How would Australia like it if an Indonesian man committed a rape in Sydney and was sentenced to prison but Indonesia intervened and said it would like the sentence reduced?

The arrogance here that Australians think it can tell Indonesia what to hand down as a sentence is quite breath-taking.

Yet the Australian Government has been quite brazenly attempting to influence the course of Justice in another Country.

What you mean like Indonesia does with other countries who sentence its citizens to death?

https://ronabbass.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/beheaded-saudi-arabia-executes-indone
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Siradj slammed Riyadh for indicting and then executing the Indonesian national without giving her a chance to defend herself, and described the Saudis as uncivilized.

Sapubi, 54, was beheaded on June 18 in Saudi Arabia after confessing to killing her employer, saying he had abused her.
Saudi officials executed her by sword and then dangled her corpse from a helicopter to make sure the public could see the result of the execution.

In reaction to Riyadh’s punishment measure, Indonesian protesters staged a demonstration in front of Indonesia’s presidential palace in the capital Jakarta, slamming the government for failing to protect its migrant workers in Saudi Arabia.

The execution of Sapubi also prompted the government of Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to take stern action against Riyadh.

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As Abbott should, but won't, do against Muslim Indonesia...as he seems besotted.
Australia needs Muslim Indonesia for nothing.

Indonesia also pays 'blood money' so its citizens won't be execution-slaughtered in other countries.

'Uncivilized', now there's a good word.

Indonesia/ns must be close to the world's biggest hypocrite/s.

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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #168 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

Indonesia already interferes in our justice system when it suits it to;

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/indonesia-talks-sink-ne...

THE steady arrival of asylum seeker boats is unlikely to abate any time soon with the Indonesian President, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono,
demanding
the release of crew members from Australian jails while offering little new in return for helping to stop the trade.

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Demanding!

Demanding the release of Indonesian criminals from our jails.

Here's an idea...what about we execution-slaughter all the Indonesian criminals in our jails...or some of them and increase the sentences of all the others to life or 50 years.
Feed them to crocodiles in the NT?
That should be ok..."Our sovereign nation...our justice system".
Oh that's right, we're civilized.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon Reply #169 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:03pm These two were found guilty of organising and leading drug trafficking through Indonesia knowing full well the penalty. Adios gentlemen. Your time is up!
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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #170 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:05pm

A crime against humanity - these two should have been granted a bonus for taking drugs OUT of Indonesia - one of the darkest states in the dark state lexicon....

(rants) primitives, low-lives, animals with no human values and little to no culture and intellect.. should be hung from the yardarm or handed a bombardment from a gunboat at whim..... peasants....

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58299 Here Gender:	Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon Reply #171 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:05pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:03pm: These two were found guilty of organising and leading drug trafficking through Indonesia knowing full well the penalty. Adios gentlemen. Your time is up! The people who really done that would not have been in Indonesia at the time.
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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #172 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

These two were found guilty of organising and leading drug trafficking through Indonesia knowing full well the penalty.

Adios gentlemen. Your time is up!

The people who really done that would not have been in Indonesia at the time.

Ah so let's just let them off eh?

Amazing that we deplore the drug dealers and smugglers who cause so much misery.
We put huge pressure on Asian nations to stop the smuggling yet when they do and take a tough stance we moan when "our" people get stung....

None more hypocritical than the western world.

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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #173 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:18pm

Thing is - these guys could have been arrested on IMPoRT in Australia - it was all under control - yet they are handed to the killers in Indonesia.

No wonder people think life is cheap in Asia, and that therefore an Asian has less value than a ..(searches for word) Westerner......

You see where I'm going yet?

We STILL despise these Untermenschen in the 'Orient' or the East'...... but it is hidden and hardly acknowledged.....

Andrei the Giant should know that mit der Afrkaans und der 'munt' - dar enemis off mein bludt!

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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #174 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:30pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:

Thing is - these guys could have been arrested on IMPoRT in Australia - it was all under control - yet they are handed to the killers in Indonesia.

No wonder people think life is cheap in Asia, and that therefore an Asian has less value than a ..(searches for word) Westerner......

You see where I'm going yet?

We STILL despise these Untermenschen in the 'Orient' or the East'...... but it is hidden and hardly acknowledged.....

Andrei the Giant should know that mit der Afrkaans und der 'munt' - dar enemis off mein bludt!

Neither of the two men are westerners though.
So your argument falls down there.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84105 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon Reply #175 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:50pm A person with citizenship but from a a different background ceases to be a Westerner? I thought we lived in times of ...... multi-culturalism and assimilation. Druly Sud Afrique lozt a gut eggs-ponent ven your vater levt it.....
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Reply #176 - Jan 21^st, 2015 at 6:34pm

Abbott, Bishop and co will be left sitting about with dunces hats 'on' when Joko Dodo Indonesia treats them with utter contempt by execution-slaughtering Chan and Sukumaran.

You see Abbott, Bishop and co thought Indonesia loved them like they love Indonesia.
They rush up to Indonesia every '5 minutes'...to Joko's inauguration, and hug and 'kiss' Indonesia's butt, giving them One thousand million dollars of our taxes every 24 months [all borrowed money now that Rudd, Gillard and co borrowed and spent money like there was no tomorrow].

$10million every 7 days.

And what do we get in return from the ingrates when we ask for a couple of favours?
Mocking and disdain, it sure seems.

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Reply #177 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 6:42am

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/why-indonesia-is-determined-to-kill-bali-nine-...

Why Indonesia is determined to kill Bali Nine duo

The Prime Minister’s overtures to Widido are therefore a test of his most genuine convictions, because pleading for the men involves no political self-interest.

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He will be seen as standing for something though...because right now the majority of voters seem to think he's a "weak backflipper" who is being walked all over by all and sundry worldwide.

Joko Dodo and Muslim Indonesia have taken absolutely no notice of him and Australia and our pleas for mercy for Chan and Sukumaran...and have basically just swatted him/us away like pests.
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Indonesia appears to believe that the prospects for rehabilitating terrorists is better than for drug runners, which explains why so many high-level participants from major terror events, from Bali 2002 onwards, are now walking free after serving relatively short terms.

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LOL...Indonesia is a joke.

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Prasetyo said he hoped the drug executions — and those to come — would have “a deterrent effect.” Whatever the questionable deterrence value, for Widodo there is higher political reward in shooting drug-running foreigners than responding to pleas for their human rights.

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Yes, Joko Dodo playing 'politics'.

Indonesia, human rights wasteland.

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Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon
Reply #178 - Jan 24^th, 2015 at 6:54am

It seems to me that ALL the for and against arguments fall over the moment one looks at how Indonesia has handled the "convicted" terrorist who was the main organiser of the Bali Bombings....

So, you wanna kill a couple of drug mules and cry vociforously about it being the "law of the land" yet, you happily allow a convicted terrorist go free - one who was directly responsible for multiple deaths...

I don't support any form of capital punishment as being part of justice, or being part of a being civilised. If the best we can come up with is "kill someone" then we are less than the most base of animals in the entire kingdom...

The list of animals that kill for any reason other than food is an extremely short list....

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