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Reply #30 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 11:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

We can certainly criticise them for having barbaric laws.

you do that ... whereas, I'll criticise those who break their law ...

I criticise them too. Being opposed to the death penalty doesn't mean that one is opposed to all forms of punishment.

I'm perfectly capable of criticising more than one thing at a time:

- The Bali 9 are criminals, and deserve to be punished.

- The Indonesians have barbaric laws.

There, I did it.

ditto.

mind you the AFP broke Australian law to let them be caught there but the AFP only occasionally gets anything right.

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Reply #31 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 11:58am

John Smith wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

We can certainly criticise them for having barbaric laws.

you do that ... whereas, I'll criticise those who break their law ... even more so since the penalty is so extreme

bambu wrote on Dec 20^th, 2014 at 7:14pm:

They're pretending to be civilised...

no ones pretending to be anything ... it is you who has label them as civillised or barbaric .. I don't think they care what you think

Anyone who goes to Indonesia knows the penalty for drugs offences. Zero sympathy.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136905 Gender:	Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon Reply #32 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 12:00pm Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 9:46am: I personally wouldn't have them shot ... You're restoring my faith in humanity, Aunt Herb. Your cover is slipping.
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Reply #33 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 12:10pm

As far as i am concerned, Im sorry but they must have known there would be deadly consequences through the indonesian judicial system if they are caught smuggling drugs in either direction, AND THEY GOT CAUGHT, thats indonesian law, thats there right and all australians should know better on what not to do over in Bali, Thailand or some other exotic asian country if they wish to go there.

Personally I wouldnt wanna go to bali.

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Reply #34 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 12:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 9:46am:

I personally wouldn't have them shot ...

You're restoring my faith in humanity, Aunt Herb.

Your cover is slipping.

Tread very carefully, gregg ...

Ayatollah al-Gandalfi has declared a Death Fatwa on certain pests hereabouts ...

I've had enough of watching beheading videos for this year, thank you very much.

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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon Reply #35 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25pm I wish the Indonesian justice system would hurry up and carry out the sentence. It's no deterrent if they keep delaying.
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Reply #36 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:26pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 9:46am:

The AFP did the sensible thing when they tipped off the Indonesians.

Several million dollars saved to the Australian taxpayer for police-work, court cases, jail-time, and endless appeals ... with the money now going towards our own drug rehabilitation centres where addicts are weaned off their soul-destroying habits.

It's all worked out very nicely. Plenty of cause for celebration.

A win-win result for everyone except the guilty ~ and that's as it should be.

I personally wouldn't have them shot, but would have them in jail for a minimum of 30 years not so much as a punishment, but just to keep them off the streets and away from our kids.

Against the AFP's charter to dob in Australians to foreign govts when they'll face the death penalty.

AFP...baaah.

It all worked out very nicely...if you don't believe in human rights and granting a couple of favours to those who have given you so much in the name of friendship and love.

Australia should immediately pass a new law increasing the sentences of all Indonesian criminals in our prisons to 50 years.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136905 Gender:	Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon Reply #37 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:27pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25pm: I wish the Indonesian justice system would hurry up and carry out the sentence. It's no deterrent if they keep delaying. It's no deterrent at all. If it was, there'd be no such thing as the Bali 9.
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Reply #38 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:29pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 9:46am:

The AFP did the sensible thing when they tipped off the Indonesians.

Several million dollars saved to the Australian taxpayer for police-work, court cases, jail-time, and endless appeals ... with the money now going towards our own drug rehabilitation centres where addicts are weaned off their soul-destroying habits.

It's all worked out very nicely. Plenty of cause for celebration.

A win-win result for everyone except the guilty ~ and that's as it should be.

I personally wouldn't have them shot, but would have them in jail for a minimum of 30 years not so much as a punishment, but just to keep them off the streets and away from our kids.

And this is the thanks they get for trying to bring you a stronger painkiller than those silly Neurophen you take.

Even if your quack prescribes MS Contin, it’s weaker than decent diacetyl morphine AKA smack.

In any other time, the Bali 9 would be considered heroes for liberating people from their pain, just as the chemist who developed Heroin for Bayer was.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136905 Gender:	Re: 'Bali 9' Chan and Sukumaran to die soon Reply #39 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:29pm bambu wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:26pm: Australia should immediately pass a new law increasing the sentences of all Indonesian criminals in our prisons to 50 years. While certainly not as barbaric as capital punishment, increasing all sentences to 50 years would just be lowering ourselves to their level.
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Reply #40 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:27pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25pm:

I wish the Indonesian justice system would hurry up and carry out the sentence.
It's no deterrent if they keep delaying.

It's no deterrent at all.

If it was, there'd be no such thing as the Bali 9.

The government cannot legislate against people being stupid in spite of anything they do.
And delaying carrying out of any sentence serves no-one.

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Reply #41 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:36pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25pm:

I wish the Indonesian justice system would hurry up and carry out the sentence.
It's no deterrent if they keep delaying.

In America the death penalty is carried out on average 9 years after sentencing ~ which I think is an utter obscenity.

Death sentences should be carried out with the utmost expedition just as they do in most of Asia.

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Reply #42 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:38pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25pm:

I wish the Indonesian justice system would hurry up and carry out the sentence.
It's no deterrent if they keep delaying.

It'll be no deterrent anyway.
Indonesia will still be awash with drugs...it's the Mr Bigs in Asia you know.
See any of them being execution-slaughtered?

All that heroin...magic heroin...just flew in the windows and onto the tables for the Bali 9 to pack up and strap to their bodies.
The Indonesian cops had the Bali 9 under surveillance from the moment they arrived in Bali...yet didn't see one person deliver all that heroin to the Bali 9 at different locations.
Grin

The Saudis are beheading drug smugglers at express pace...but the place is awash with drugs, in ever increasing amounts.

Some people seem to think that Indonesia just loves to execution-slaughter people, including foreigners...to appear like "tough guys" and have foreigners begging them.

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Reply #43 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:40pm

bambu wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:26pm:

Australia should immediately pass a new law increasing the sentences of all Indonesian criminals in our prisons to 50 years.

Our federal and State police are in utter contempt of our law courts for their ridiculous leniency in so many cases.

I believe this might be why the AFP tipped off the Indonesians ~ so that these dealers in death would get pretty much what they deserve.

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Reply #44 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:42pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:36pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 21^st, 2014 at 1:25pm:

I wish the Indonesian justice system would hurry up and carry out the sentence.
It's no deterrent if they keep delaying.

In America the death penalty is carried out on average 9 years after sentencing ~ which I think is an utter obscenity.

Death sentences should be carried out with the utmost expedition just as they do in most of Asia.

What about the people who are found to be innocent...20 and 30 years after they were tossed onto death row?

Death penalties should be abolished...and all death chambers bulldozed.

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