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Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am
 
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BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

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Reply #1 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:35am
 
I guess it's like the Catholics in Ireland saying the Protestants are giving Christianity a bad name eh Brian?

Are the Shiites a minority sect compared to the sunnis?
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Reply #2 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am:
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BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

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Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.
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Reply #3 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm
 
wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am:
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BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[Source]


Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.


True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:34pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:35am:
I guess it's like the Catholics in Ireland saying the Protestants are giving Christianity a bad name eh Brian?


Yep.  What you should always remember, Baron is no one admits their version of a religion is "extremist".  It's always the other mob, over there.   You look back the history of Protestantism and Catholicism, both have had their share of extremists, forgotten the 30 Years War or the Requonista or the Conquistadores?

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Are the Shiites a minority sect compared to the sunnis?


I don't know, Baron?  Perhaps you can tell us how Kurds are Muslim?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 6:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm:
wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am:
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BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[Source]


Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.


True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    Roll Eyes


I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.
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Reply #6 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm:
wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am:
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BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[Source]


Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.


True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    Roll Eyes


I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.

Spot on.

Engaging with Islamic ideology at any level - Brain's, Hezb'allah's, Gandalf's - is a trip down the rabbit hole with Alice into the surreal Other-world where nothing is as you would expect.

Islam is a different psychic world.  Our mad are their saints. There is no shared symbolism, no shared signifiers.

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Reply #7 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:49pm
 
Thanks for bringing this to our attention Brian.
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Reply #8 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 9:49pm
 
And thank you, old boy. Most semiotic.
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Reply #9 - Dec 26th, 2014 at 9:51pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm:
wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am:
Quote:
BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[Source]


Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.


True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    Roll Eyes


I agree.

ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/1#1
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The truth is that in the real 'ISLAMIC' world, every distinct moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with and against, every other distinct ISLAMIC group.

Each and every distinct ISLAMIC group [separated by distance from each other], will assert that - they only - are the true expression of pure ISLAM.

And therefore it is they alone, who have the right to both subjugate and to rule over every other ISLAMIC group [....even those moslems who ostensibly belong their own moslem faction].

It is true!           Smiley


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410694482/49#49
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Every moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with every other ISLAMIC group.

There have been wars among moslems, since 2 minutes after Mohammed died.

Hamas, ISIS, Taleban and Boko Haram, all proffer themselves to the 'moslem street', individually, as the true expression of ISLAM.



And so do the Saudis, and the Iranians.



The truth is that moslems form alliances, with those they hate, against those they hate even more!!!

ISIS and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

The Saudis and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

And so it is, with every moslem group.

Even moslem groups resident within Australia, tell us, that they are the true expression of ISLAM.

And if they had the means and the opportunity, those very moslem groups resident within Australia, would be slaughtering each other - AND US.



It is true!           Smiley

WAKE UP.











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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.



Brian,

That 'precept' of faith is mainstream within ISLAM.

ISIS know it.

Al-Qaeda know it

The Saudis know it

And all Shia moslems [who are broadly aligned with the mullahs of Iran], know it.


And all of those groups claim to be the only true, and the only pure, 'moslem' [....to the exclusion of their other 'competitors'].       Cheesy







Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4






ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."





THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #10 - Dec 27th, 2014 at 1:01am
 
Soren wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm:
wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am:
Quote:
BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[Source]


Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.


True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    Roll Eyes


I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.

Spot on.

Engaging with Islamic ideology at any level - Brain's, Hezb'allah's, Gandalf's - is a trip down the rabbit hole with Alice into the surreal Other-world where nothing is as you would expect.

Islam is a different psychic world.  Our mad are their saints. There is no shared symbolism, no shared signifiers.


Except for Islam's use of the same source material...

Soren, as I've remarked in the past, you choose, deliberately because of your Islamophobia to emphasise the differences between Christianity and Islam and Judaism, whereas I look at the similarities, of which there are so many.     Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Dec 27th, 2014 at 8:53am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 6:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 5:32pm:
wally1 wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 7:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 12:31am:
Quote:
BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[Source]


Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.


True.  What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic.    Roll Eyes


I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.


And regular muslims? I hope your not still whinging about me characterising your views as saying all muslims are secretly ISIS at heart.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #12 - Dec 27th, 2014 at 3:03pm
 
Yes Gandalf. Even if I don't actually say it, you know what I really mean.
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Reply #13 - Dec 27th, 2014 at 3:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2014 at 3:03pm:
Yes Gandalf. Even if I don't actually say it, you know what I really mean.


No no, FD, if G doesn’t say it, we all know what he really means.

G’s wishy washy Western thinking is all an elaborate ruse designed to lower our defenses and bring down our guard until one day - pow. Right in the kisser.

We all know what the Muselman really means.

Google: taqiyya.
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Reply #14 - Dec 28th, 2014 at 7:41am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 27th, 2014 at 3:03pm:
Yes Gandalf. Even if I don't actually say it, you know what I really mean.



And if I ask you again do you actually mean that - are you going to obfuscate with another rhetorical question rather than give a straight answer?
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