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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #15 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:55am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 27^th, 2014 at 1:01am:

Soren wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

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BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

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Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.

True. What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic. Roll Eyes

I agree. ISIS really highlight how mainstream the regular Islamic militants are.

Spot on.

Engaging with Islamic ideology at any level - Brain's, Hezb'allah's, Gandalf's - is a trip down the rabbit hole with Alice into the surreal Other-world where nothing is as you would expect.

Islam is a different psychic world. Our mad are their saints. There is no shared symbolism, no shared signifiers.

Except for Islam's use of the same source material...

Soren, as I've remarked in the past, you choose, deliberately because of your Islamophobia to emphasise the differences between Christianity and Islam and Judaism, whereas I look at the similarities, of which there are so many. Roll Eyes

Islam is similar in the sense that it is a misunderstanding of both Judaism and Christianity.

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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #16 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:03am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

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BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[Source]

Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.

True. What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic. Roll Eyes

Hezbollah (Party of God) are terrorists who take their orders from Iran.

Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #17 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 7:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 26^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

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BEIRUT: Saudi Arabia is obligated to prevent the spread of jihadist terrorism, Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah said Monday, warning that "takfiris" were tarnishing the image of Islam.

[Source]

Article is abit misleading.

Narallah send his fighters to syria to fight with assad.

Shia also attack sunnis in the north of lebanon.

True. What I found interesting is that even those classed as "extremists" by many in the West (Hezbollah) can see that loonies like IS are the real extremists - Takfiri, whereas many here seem to perceive Islam as being monolithic. Roll Eyes

Hezbollah (Party of God) are terrorists who take their orders from Iran.

Yes. Who's denied it, Baron? Roll Eyes

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Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?

However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron. You do know what "Takfiri" are? Roll Eyes

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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #18 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

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Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?

However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron.

You do know what "Takfiri" are? Roll Eyes

Takfiri.

Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ?

They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2).

e.g.
gandalf is Takfiri to ISIS.

And ISIS are Takfiri to gandalf's bros.

And of course gandalf and his associates are a part of the only real moslem community. Wink

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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #19 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:56pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

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Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?

However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron.

You do know what "Takfiri" are? Roll Eyes

Takfiri.

Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ?

They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2).

No, they are not, Yadda.

A Takfiri is a Muslim zealot.

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Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement that condones terrorism.[7] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals. Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that

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"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."[8]

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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #20 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

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Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?

However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron.

You do know what "Takfiri" are? Roll Eyes

Takfiri.

Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ?

They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2).

No, they are not, Yadda.

A Takfiri is a Muslim zealot.

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Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement that condones terrorism.[7] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals. Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that

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"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."[8]

Source]

Or as Chetserton put is (much better):
A void is made in the heart of Islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it. There are no sacraments; the only thing that can happen is a sort of apocalypse, as unique as the end of the world; so the apocalypse can only be repeated and the world end again and again. There are no priests; and yet this equality can only breed a multitude if lawless prophets almost as numerous as priests. The very dogma that there is only one Mahomet produces an endless procession of Mahomets.

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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #21 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:21pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

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Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?

However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron.

You do know what "Takfiri" are? Roll Eyes

Takfiri.

Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ?

They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2).

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

No, they are not, Yadda.

A Takfiri is a Muslim zealot.

Quote:

Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement that condones terrorism.[7] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals. Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that

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"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."[8]

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Nah.

You are wrong brian.

takfir [the root of takfiri], is when moslem #1, declares moslem #2, in fact, to be a non-moslem.
[i.e. making moslem #2 ripe for holy and righteous slaughter by, moslem #1 and his mates and his bros]

Google;
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Takfir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of excommunication, one Muslim declaring a non-Muslim or an apostate, an ...

Takfiri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري‎ takfīrī) is a Muslim who accuses another Muslim (or an adherent of another Abrahamic faith) of apostasy. The accusation itself is called ...

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A takfiri (Arabic: تكفيري‎ takfīrī) is a Muslim who accuses another Muslim (or an adherent of another Abrahamic faith) of apostasy.[1] The accusation itself is called takfir, derived from the word kafir (infidel), and is described as when "one who is, or claims to be, a Muslim is declared impure."[2]

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia must stop takfiri trend
Reply #22 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:31pm

Soren wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

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Iran is pretty extreme, they finance terrorists like Hezbollah,are you saying they are moderate brian?

However, Iran and obviously Hezbollah does not consider themselves "Takfiri", Baron.

You do know what "Takfiri" are? Roll Eyes

Takfiri.

Thats those who have been declared to be moslem 'IMPERSONATORS', aren't they brian ?

They are moslems (1), who have been declared to be infidels by other moslems (2), because they [moslems (1)] do not follow the dictates of moslems (2).

No, they are not, Yadda.

A Takfiri is a Muslim zealot.

Quote:

Takfiris have been classified by some commentators as violent offshoots of the Salafi movement, yet while Salafism is seen as a form of 'fundamentalist Islam', it is not an inherently violent movement that condones terrorism.[7] Takfiris, on the other hand, condone acts of violence as legitimate methods of achieving religious or political goals. Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that

Quote:

"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."[8]

Source]

Or as Chetserton put is (much better):
A void is made in the heart of Islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it. There are no sacraments; the only thing that can happen is a sort of apocalypse, as unique as the end of the world; so the apocalypse can only be repeated and the world end again and again. There are no priests; and yet this equality can only breed a multitude if lawless prophets almost as numerous as priests.

The very dogma that there is only one Mahomet produces an endless procession of Mahomets.

There is a coming plague of them [Mohammed's], in the UK;

Google;
Mohammed, the most popular name for baby boys in the UK

Oh for joy! Tongue

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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