Karnal wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:


Is this when I get all sked 'n stuff??

The Ottoman Muslim genocide of Armenin Christians looks very similar to the current massacres and atrocities by the Islamic State:

ON April 24, 1915, the day before the Anzacs landed at Gallipoli, the Turkish government in Constantinople rounded up hundreds of Armenian artists, intellectuals, academics, priests and community leaders and killed most of them.

At the time there were 15 million Turkish Muslims and about two million Christian Arm­enians in Turkey (or Anatolia as it was then). The Armenians were better educated and wealthier than most Turks and because of that were envied and hated, so much so that the government instituted a program of ethnic cleansing. The Turks had had practice runs before. Between 1894 and 1896, 200,000 Armenians were massacred by soldiers and armed mobs.

From May to September 1915, up to two million Armenians were killed or expelled from the Ottoman Empire. The adult men were massacred or sent to death camps, while their families were sent on death marches through the desert. They were murdered, raped, drowned, burned alive and left to die of hunger and thirst. Churches, monasteries and schools were destroyed. All material goods were confiscated. Girls were made sex slaves and forced to convert. Up to 1.5 million died.

Since then Turkish apologists have protested that only 600,000 died and that the deportations and massacres were merely unfortunate incidents in a civil war. In An Inconvenient Genocide, Australian lawyer Geoffrey Robertson sifts the evidence and details the reasons he considers the Turkish elimination of the Armenians a crime against humanity, a genocide.

He doesn’t spend much time on the history but presents witness accounts by diplomats, missionaries, journalists, doctors and soldiers. Some of the compelling accounts are by Australian prisoners of war. Even Turkey’s German allies, especially diplomats, were horrified by what was happening and sent voluminous reports back to Berlin.

Turkish law sanctions citizens who ‘‘insult Turkishness’’ by referring to the treatment of Armenians as genocide. Nobel prize-winning writer Orhan Pamuk was charged but his international fame kept him out of jail. This national­istic hypersensitivity cannot be over­estimated. In 2010, the BBC recorded a play I wrote based on the memoirs of a US vice-consul, Leslie Davis, who witnessed deportations, death marches and atrocities. Because Turkish actors were afraid news of their participation would travel back home, they dropped out or acted under assumed names.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:


Question brian. Does Erdogan want to become the next Caliph?

He is ripe for the place is he not, his mob killed 1.5 million Armenians, today his mob supports ISIS, kills Kurds,.

Will Erdogan take over ISIS! How many innocents will be killed to fulfill his deranged naked muslim ambition.That's what you have to answer muslim brian.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:



They are responsible for covering it up and banning anyone, such as NSW parliamentarians, who are not prepared to go along with their cover up.


SO I'd say they are heavily implicated.

And come to think of it, they have your mindset.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 9:55pm:


The old boy says he's got some Kraut in him, so it's a moot point.

And no, the old boy does not except collective responsibility for his Nazism. He sees this as a personal choice.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:


Are australians today still responsible for what the Brits did in 1788? Apparently yes according to you and brother Hot Breath.

|dev|null wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:24am:



Uh-oh, Brain. Junior is a Guilt by Association monger.

He says:

"Today's Turks aren't responsible for the Armenian Genocide, they are responsible for what has resulted.  They should acknowledge what happened instead of continually trying to minimise it's effects and hide from what happened by sweeping it under the carpet.  They should compensate Armenians for the crimes which Turks committed and which have created their present situation where possible, return the land to them or pay rent on it.    "


The same goes for Turkish responsibility in Cyprus.

And by Hot Breaths's reckoning, also for your other examples like Germany, Japan, Spain as well as the Arabs and the Eastern Roman Empire, The Romans for the entire Roman Empire, etc, etc.  Junior is a liberation theologian, don't you know.  We are all living with 'results' which are our responsibility. 
Muslims are living with the 'results' of the 'tiny minority's actions'.

Not guilty, just responsible.  Thank you Hot Breath.