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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #45 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 3:29pm Soren's making a big deal out of nothing. All HB is saying is that contemporary society aren't responsible for the crimes of previous generations - but they are responsible for apologising for it or sweeping it under the carpet. Also nothing Brian said is at odds with this pretty basic point.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #46 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 3:32pm Of course Soren is making a big deal about nothing, that's all he ever does!
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Reply #47 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 4:26pm

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Soren's making a big deal out of nothing. All HB is saying is that contemporary society aren't responsible for the crimes of previous generations - but they are responsible for apologising for it or sweeping it under the carpet.

Do you agree with this Gandalf?

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They should compensate Indigenes for the crimes which were committed and which has created their present situation where possible, return the land to them or pay rent on it.

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Reply #48 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 6:12pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Every situation should be judged on it's merit Soren. No guilt is attributed to today's white Australians. Shame perhaps but not guilt because they didn't actually do it, they've just inherited the situation and continue to profit from it.

The Turks should acknowledge their shame for the Armenian genocide. So should all the other examples you've mentioned. If the descendents of the Armenian victims want to claim compensation then let them.

That doesn't mean the Turks of today are guilty of what happened a hundred years ago, they just have to stop lying about it and hiding from it. Just like you have to stop lying and hiding from your Islamophobia. Grin

In other words, the lefty scales of justice are adjusted to get the judgement decided beforehand.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #49 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 7:38pm freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 4:26pm: Do you agree with this Gandalf? Absolutely, along with a note saying "we're sorry our ancestors were such complete c**nts towards you that has created your current predicament"
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #50 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 8:28pm So we are not responsible, but we should pay compensation?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #51 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 9:06pm freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 8:28pm: So we are not responsible, but we should pay compensation? Yes. But don't call it compensation if it makes you feel better - call it being charitable to your less privileged fellow citizens.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #52 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 9:37pm How much compensation do you think we should pay?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #53 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 9:49pm I have no idea
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #54 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 9:52pm I'm hoping you haven't put much thought into this.
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Reply #55 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 12:50pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 6:12pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Every situation should be judged on it's merit Soren. No guilt is attributed to today's white Australians. Shame perhaps but not guilt because they didn't actually do it, they've just inherited the situation and continue to profit from it.

The Turks should acknowledge their shame for the Armenian genocide. So should all the other examples you've mentioned. If the descendents of the Armenian victims want to claim compensation then let them.

That doesn't mean the Turks of today are guilty of what happened a hundred years ago, they just have to stop lying about it and hiding from it. Just like you have to stop lying and hiding from your Islamophobia. Grin

In other words, the lefty scales of justice are adjusted to get the judgement decided beforehand.

So, you think the Turks didn't commit genocide against the Armenians a hundred years ago? Shocked

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Reply #56 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:24pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm:

Every situation should be judged on it's merit Soren.

Yes.

But not every situation is judged from first principles.

There is an undeniably significant Islamic element in both ISIL and the Armenian Genocide. Muslims cannot NOT take a stance.

Saying 'it has nuffin' to do wiv me, mate' is a stance.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #57 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:34pm Why do you assume the Armenian Genocide was about Islam? My understand is that it had more to do with Turkish nationalism.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96375	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #58 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:13pm Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:24pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 3:13pm: Every situation should be judged on it's merit Soren. Yes. Unless Israel does it.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: How representative is ISIS of maintream muslims? Reply #59 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:20pm Gandalf do you also agree with HB's views on socialism?
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