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How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem
Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:40pm

gandalf the non-moslem

How representative is ISIS of mainstream muslims?

How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslems ?

QUESTION;
How well does gandalf represent the views [the worldview] of mainstream moslems, here, on Ozpol ?

I'm sceptical!

And i say;
How can gandalf be, a moslem ???

gandalf, in his own declarations [here on OzPol], has demonstrated his deep and abiding humanitarian and secular credentials.

The best that can be said for gandalf, is that gandalf is a moslem IMPERSONATOR!!

e.g.
When we see daily atrocities committed 'good deeds' by moslems, then we see gandalf ostensibly respond to these 'good deeds' [by moslems], with what could only be described as the enthusiastic 'hand wringing' of a distraught non-moslem !

e.g.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/taliban-gunmen-attack-military-run-school-...

Quote:

At least 126 people have been killed and 122 injured in an attack by Taliban militants on a Pakistani high school.

More than 100 of the dead were school children, director of information for the chief minister's secretariat Bahramand Khan said, adding that the death toll could rise.

Hundreds of students and teachers were taken hostage in the bloodiest insurgent attack in the country in years.

Simply horrific.

And then there is gandalf the secularist.....

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 17^th, 2013 at 8:44pm:

Sorry, I must be still missing it. I'll just clarify my position (again), and hopefully it will answer whatever you want answered:
- I support secularism
- I support democracy
- I oppose dictatorships

Opposing dictatorships means all dictatorships - whether they be secular or religious. Saying I support secularism doesn't mean I support secular dictators - Clear?

'Islamic secularism' ???

That must be like Military Intelligence, mustn't it ???

Compare gandalfs views, to what moslem, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and current President of Turkey, declared;

Quote:

May 23, 2007
Turkish PM Erdogan in Speech During Term As Istanbul Mayor Attacks Turkey's Constitution, Describing it As 'A Huge Lie':

'Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah';

'One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular'

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD159607i

And then there is gandalf the moslem, .....in favour of moslem integration into Australian society....

the threats posed by Islam
polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2013 at 11:46pm:

"For what its worth, I believe I contribute positively to my local (non muslim) community, through my every day behaviour and activities. I believe that the vast majority of muslims in Australia are doing similar things in their local communities - coexisting, contributing to the local community, and presenting the right face of islam. IMO these local behaviours all over the country feed into the national face of islam, which helps create a mainstream Australian muslim community that is loyal, integrated, pro-peace and anti-extremism."

Yet every real moslem knows, that Allah hates ALL moslem 'collaborators'.....
moses wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 2:15pm:

qur'an 5.51: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors
: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

qur'an 5.80: Thou seest many of them turning in friendship to the Unbelievers. Evil indeed are (the works) which their souls have sent forward before them (with the result), that Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.

qur'an 3.28: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers
rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them
. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

IN CONCLUSION;

Yes, it is difficult to overstate the fact that gandalf is a complete fraud!

gandalf is prolly an atheist and a paid up member of the Greens, or the Socialist Alliance !!!!

gandalf is clearly a humanitarian and a secularist, who is trying to pass himself off [here on OzPol], as a mainstream moslem!!!!

Who can deny it !!!!

Shame on you gandalf!!!!

For misrepresenting yourself to us [here on OzPol], in such a fraudulent way.

p.s.

i didn't post this on the ISLAM board coz an entire thread that i posted in [about 7-9 days ago] [on the ISLAM board] was removed. though i'm sure that it was not removed because of my post.

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Re: How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem
Reply #1 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 16^th, 2014 at 10:37pm:

Where are your moslem loyalties, gandalf ?

Do you even have any loyalties [towards ISLAM, or anyone] ?

gandalf,

I ask those questions, because to me, you seem to hold beliefs which are contrary to the laws and tenets of ISLAM.

Dictionary;
contrary = = opposite in nature, direction, or meaning.

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Reply #2 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 1:52pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 12^th, 2014 at 4:08pm:

gandalf,

If you endorse and support secularism ['secularism', that is condemned as a CAPITAL CRIME, by ISLAMIC religious texts] so wholeheartedly, then in what sense are you a 'moslem' ?

And how do you, as a moslem, define ISLAMIC apostasy ?

i.e.
#1,
What legal authority [emanating from within ISLAM], guides your 'determinations' as to what 'apostasy' is ?

#2,
What are the 'legal' characteristics of a devout moslem ?

#3,
And what are the 'legal' characteristics which confirm a moslem apostate [i.e. a person who is religiously denounced as a 'hypocrite', by the body of devout moslems, the ummah] ?

gandalf,

Do your really want us [those who read your posts here on OzPol] to believe that you,
1/ speak truthfully, and that,
2/ you really, really, sincerely, consider yourself to be a 'rightly guided' moslem ?

gandalf,

I do not doubt that you may sincerely consider yourself to be a 'rightly guided' moslem.

But, please explain to us, WHAT IS THE LEGAL BASIS [FROM WITHIN ISLAM], WHICH CONFIRMS YOUR 'RIGHTLY GUIDED MOSLEM' STATUS ?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41125	Re: How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem Reply #3 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:04pm Actually, I find Gandalf quite representative of mainstream, moderate Islam, Y. You, however, I find very representative of extremist, Islamist Islam. Keep the good work up as a propaganda tool for IS, Y. Do you get paid well or are you just doing this out of a genuine love for Islamism?
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Re: How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem
Reply #4 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:04pm:

Actually, I find Gandalf quite representative of mainstream, moderate Islam, Y.

You, however, I find very representative of extremist, Islamist Islam. Keep the good work up as a propaganda tool for IS, Y. Do you get paid well or are you just doing this out of a genuine love for Islamism? Roll Eyes

Ha ha, it is to laugh, brian.

Gandalf is the representative of mainstream, moderate ISLAM.

While Yadda is promoting the ideas of, and is a propagandist for, ISIS.

.....and that is the state of the world according to brian.

Your brain must have a novel way of interpreting the world around you brian.

I wonder where you learnt, or evolved, such a 'skill' ?

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1 Los Angeles or Hollywood, especially with regard to the film and television industry.
2 a dreamworld.

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Re: How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem
Reply #6 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 10:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 2:04pm:

Actually, I find Gandalf quite representative of mainstream, moderate Islam, Y.

You, however, I find very representative of extremist, Islamist Islam. Keep the good work up as a propaganda tool for IS, Y. Do you get paid well or are you just doing this out of a genuine love for Islamism? Roll Eyes

Ha ha, it is to laugh, brian.

Gandalf is the representative of mainstream, moderate ISLAM.

While Yadda is promoting the ideas of, and is a propagandist for, ISIS.

Yes.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem Reply #7 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:16pm I do not think Gandalf is a Muslim at all, but playing at one. Certainly there are some things he should know as a practising Muslim and does not. I think hes taking you all for a ride. hes certainly not representative of any Muslim I have ever met, which only numbers in the thousands,.
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Reply #8 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:27pm

ian wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

I do not think Gandalf is a Muslim at all, but playing at one.

Certainly there are some things he should know as a practising Muslim and does not. I think hes taking you all for a ride. hes certainly not representative of any Muslim I have ever met, which only numbers in the thousands,.

ian,

Its true! Tongue

gandalf is a professional moslem 'IMPERSONATOR'.

what gandalf 'does', is street theatre.

And gandalf is really, really good at it.

I'm going to nominate him for a Gold Logie.

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Re: How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem
Reply #9 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:32pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

ian wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

I do not think Gandalf is a Muslim at all, but playing at one.

Certainly there are some things he should know as a practising Muslim and does not. I think hes taking you all for a ride. hes certainly not representative of any Muslim I have ever met, which only numbers in the thousands,.

ian,

Its true! Tongue

gandalf is a professional moslem 'IMPERSONATOR'.

what gandalf 'does', is street theatre.

And gandalf is really, really good at it.

I'm going to nominate him for a Gold Logie.

Maybe ISIS in Australia could give gandalf a 'special' mention.

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Re: How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem
Reply #10 - Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:35pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

ian wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

I do not think Gandalf is a Muslim at all, but playing at one.

Certainly there are some things he should know as a practising Muslim and does not. I think hes taking you all for a ride. hes certainly not representative of any Muslim I have ever met, which only numbers in the thousands,.

ian,

Its true! Tongue

gandalf is a professional moslem 'IMPERSONATOR'.

what gandalf 'does', is street theatre.

And gandalf is really, really good at it.

I'm going to nominate him for a Gold Logie.

well yes, he is very good. He even fooled me for a short while.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How representative is gandalf of mainstream moslem Reply #11 - Dec 29^th, 2014 at 9:35am ian wrote on Dec 28^th, 2014 at 11:16pm: ertainly there are some things he should know as a practising Muslim and does not. I Like what Ian?
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