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Reply #90 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:44pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Really, old boy, how are you going to preserve your own ways? You can’t even get Mormor’s pickling recipe right.

Thanks for confirming the agenda, but alas, no one preserves their own ways. Good luck, Lakemba. The day they get all the Lebs out of the brothels, bottle shops and pokie lounges is the day I’ll say, Allah Uakbar.

Can I say that?

You wouldn’t want our ways preserved, old boy. I remember Sydney in the 1970s,, and it would not have been your cup of pickled stool, believe me. We were most unsympathetic to you people back then. Even the architect of the Opera House was howled out of the country by the planners and the tabloids.

We love you now, of course, but we’ve since converted to multiculturalism.

Pickled stool and all.

This is silly, as usual.

You make it out as if multiculturalism was the cause of improvements. But none of the improvements to the West have been due to it. None of the artistic or literary changes, not the 60s, not the fall of the Berlin Wall, not anything.

Other than an increased variety in cooking styles and ingredients, I cannot think of a single cultural improvement due to multiculturalism. What aspect of Lebanese, Chinese, African culture has Australia taken on and was improved by? I can't think of any. Can you?

The migrants who do contribute best are the ones who are most assimilated. The most unassimilated ones - preservers of the 'old country's ways' - are on welfare. The culturally distant migrants form ghettos. The culturally similar ones - Northern and Western Europeans, North Americans - don't.

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Reply #91 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:58pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Really, old boy, how are you going to preserve your own ways? You can’t even get Mormor’s pickling recipe right.

Thanks for confirming the agenda, but alas, no one preserves their own ways. Good luck, Lakemba. The day they get all the Lebs out of the brothels, bottle shops and pokie lounges is the day I’ll say, Allah Uakbar.

Can I say that?

You wouldn’t want our ways preserved, old boy. I remember Sydney in the 1970s,, and it would not have been your cup of pickled stool, believe me. We were most unsympathetic to you people back then. Even the architect of the Opera House was howled out of the country by the planners and the tabloids.

We love you now, of course, but we’ve since converted to multiculturalism.

Pickled stool and all.

This is silly, as usual.

You make it out as if multiculturalism was the cause of improvements. But none of the improvements to the West have been due to it. None of the artistic or literary changes, not the 60s, not the fall of the Berlin Wall, not anything.

Other than an increased variety in cooking styles and ingredients, I cannot think of a single cultural improvement due to multiculturalism. What aspect of Lebanese, Chinese, African culture has Australia taken on and was improved by? I can't think of any. Can you?

The migrants who do contribute best are the ones who are most assimilated. The most unassimilated ones - preservers of the 'old country's ways' - are on welfare. The culturally distant migrants form ghettos. The culturally similar ones - Northern and Western Europeans, North Americans - don't.

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Reply #92 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:28pm

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:58pm:

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This is silly, as usual.

You make it out as if multiculturalism was the cause of improvements. But none of the improvements to the West have been due to it. None of the artistic or literary changes, not the 60s, not the fall of the Berlin Wall, not anything.

Other than an increased variety in cooking styles and ingredients, I cannot think of a single cultural improvement due to multiculturalism. What aspect of Lebanese, Chinese, African culture has Australia taken on and was improved by? I can't think of any. Can you?

The migrants who do contribute best are the ones who are most assimilated. The most unassimilated ones - preservers of the 'old country's ways' - are on welfare. The culturally distant migrants form ghettos. The culturally similar ones - Northern and Western Europeans, North Americans - don't.

Excellent commentary, Soren.

As for recipes ~ we only needed the cooking books - not the arrival of 4 million migrants to tell us how to cook snails in butter sauce, or how to stir-fry toilet insects in Black Bean and Oyster Sauce.

The one thing the ethnics brought us of any good was soccer ... but then the bosses of the TV channels have stubbornly resisted giving the game any air-time over a full 60 year period now.

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Reply #93 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 3:28pm

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:28pm:

Western culture allows more room for individuality than any other culture, bar none.

It does. You don't. Modern "Western" Culture is inherently diverse and tolerant of indeed, anybody, as long as they act within the laws that "Western civilisation" has laid down. You, OTOH, along with Herbie and so many other Xenophobes, attack anybody who merely worships different god or dresses differently or has different coloured skin or different shaped eyes, Soren.

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It is a stupid and baseless little gimmick to label the opponents of multiculturalism xenophobic or against diverse views. I am very happy for Africans to live by African norms in Africa, or Indians by Indian norms in India.
But why come ALL THIS WAY, to a culturally obviously different country and then cleave to the old African, Indian, Muslim, Chinese values? Especially as they are invariable inferior to Western cultural norms. Leave your inferior habits behind, fit in, learn the language, make the most of your new you.
Or stay home if you can't. The stuck-in-the-old-ways migrants are the ones who are unable to express their individuality: they are in a new country but they are unable to shed their old ways.

So, Soren, you'd recommend then that these Australians should never have come here, then and that their diverse cultural practices shouldn't be tolerated?

Or does your rules only apply to African or Asian or say Latin American cultures?

Your problem is, Soren that everytime you open your mouth, you jam your foot in it, deeper and deeper. The reality is that Multiculturalism includes all cultures. You accuse me of "homogenising" Australia and all other nations of the world. The reality is, it's you who wants a homogenised culture - everybody dressed like they walked out of some utopian ideal you have of "Western culture", which bears absolutely no relation to what it is in reality. I was right, you want uniformity. Everybody marching in lock step with you. You can't tolerate diversity, particularly if it includes anybdoy who's dark skinned or non-Christian. You've made that plain, time and again. Roll Eyes

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Reply #94 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:45pm

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Really, old boy, how are you going to preserve your own ways? You can’t even get Mormor’s pickling recipe right.

Thanks for confirming the agenda, but alas, no one preserves their own ways. Good luck, Lakemba. The day they get all the Lebs out of the brothels, bottle shops and pokie lounges is the day I’ll say, Allah Uakbar.

Can I say that?

You wouldn’t want our ways preserved, old boy. I remember Sydney in the 1970s,, and it would not have been your cup of pickled stool, believe me. We were most unsympathetic to you people back then. Even the architect of the Opera House was howled out of the country by the planners and the tabloids.

We love you now, of course, but we’ve since converted to multiculturalism.

Pickled stool and all.

This is silly, as usual.

You make it out as if multiculturalism was the cause of improvements. But none of the improvements to the West have been due to it. None of the artistic or literary changes, not the 60s, not the fall of the Berlin Wall, not anything.

Other than an increased variety in cooking styles and ingredients, I cannot think of a single cultural improvement due to multiculturalism. What aspect of Lebanese, Chinese, African culture has Australia taken on and was improved by? I can't think of any. Can you?

The migrants who do contribute best are the ones who are most assimilated. The most unassimilated ones - preservers of the 'old country's ways' - are on welfare. The culturally distant migrants form ghettos. The culturally similar ones - Northern and Western Europeans, North Americans - don't.

You want improvements, do you? Make up your mind, dear. Your original post (your best) was about preserving white culture.

Yes, dear boy, white culture. Correlation not causation, what.

If we’d preserved Australian culture, you would have been back to the old country quicker than you can say Soerern Kern.

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Reply #95 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 3:28pm:

So, Soren, you'd recommend then that these Australians should never have come here, then and that their diverse cultural practices shouldn't be tolerated?

They wear these costumes on their picnic days. The other 364 days you wouldn't know whether they are Irish or Polish or Welsh.

With pajama, hijab, sari and turban crowd, they will never let you forget that they do not belong here.

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Reply #96 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:46pm

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Really, old boy, how are you going to preserve your own ways? You can’t even get Mormor’s pickling recipe right.

Thanks for confirming the agenda, but alas, no one preserves their own ways. Good luck, Lakemba. The day they get all the Lebs out of the brothels, bottle shops and pokie lounges is the day I’ll say, Allah Uakbar.

Can I say that?

You wouldn’t want our ways preserved, old boy. I remember Sydney in the 1970s,, and it would not have been your cup of pickled stool, believe me. We were most unsympathetic to you people back then. Even the architect of the Opera House was howled out of the country by the planners and the tabloids.

We love you now, of course, but we’ve since converted to multiculturalism.

Pickled stool and all.

Other than an increased variety in cooking styles and ingredients, I cannot think of a single cultural improvement due to multiculturalism. What aspect of Lebanese, Chinese, African culture has Australia taken on and was improved by? I can't think of any. Can you?

Well most Australians dance around to Hava Nagila at weddings and functions -- that's got to be something.

I could add more but I'm not sure if you're allowing science, technology and culture prior to circa 1788, and you've already put the mozz on food and stuff -- Hey, "put the mozz on"! A great Aussie saying, adopted from Hebrew. Now there's two inclusions.

Anyway let me know. In the meantime would you like to list the Australian culture that you feel is being threatened or at least not adopted by non-assimilating migrants? Remember we know about 'their culture' -- just list the Aussie culture.

Cheers.

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Reply #97 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:33pm

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm:

They wear these costumes on their picnic days. The other 364 days you wouldn't know whether they are Irish or Polish or Welsh.

With pajama, hijab, sari and turban crowd, they will never let you forget that they do not belong here.

Absolutely correct.

There are even some born-in-Australia non-whites who use their skin colour and their ethnic characteristics to openly proclaim their allegiances to people who belong to foreign countries.

The most outstanding example in this regard is a group of Australian-born men and women of Indian parentage who openly support India's national cricket team against the national team of Australia.

They were happy to appear on A Current Affairs to tell us all about who they identify with and barrack for.

And let's be honest: how many Pacific Islanders living as citizens of Australia would give a rat's arse about Australia's rugby league if half the players weren't Pacific Islanders?

And Sydney's Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs footy team. It's patronised by the local Muslims only because one or two of the players are Muslims.

And so on and so forth.

At the time of the Olympic in 2001 the local Greek community wanted to build an exhibition hall here in Sydney to glorify only Australia's Olympic winners of Greek background.

They made no bones about their utter rejection of identifying as generic 'Australians'. Four ... five ... six generations here ~ and no way they wanted to be identified as 'Skippies'.

The NSW government refused them permission to set up this hall.

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Reply #98 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm

ColdFact wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 3:00pm:

Really, old boy, how are you going to preserve your own ways? You can’t even get Mormor’s pickling recipe right.

Thanks for confirming the agenda, but alas, no one preserves their own ways. Good luck, Lakemba. The day they get all the Lebs out of the brothels, bottle shops and pokie lounges is the day I’ll say, Allah Uakbar.

Can I say that?

You wouldn’t want our ways preserved, old boy. I remember Sydney in the 1970s,, and it would not have been your cup of pickled stool, believe me. We were most unsympathetic to you people back then. Even the architect of the Opera House was howled out of the country by the planners and the tabloids.

We love you now, of course, but we’ve since converted to multiculturalism.

Pickled stool and all.

Other than an increased variety in cooking styles and ingredients, I cannot think of a single cultural improvement due to multiculturalism. What aspect of Lebanese, Chinese, African culture has Australia taken on and was improved by? I can't think of any. Can you?

Well most Australians dance around to Hava Nagila at weddings and functions -- that's got to be something.

I could add more but I'm not sure if you're allowing science, technology and culture prior to circa 1788, and you've already put the mozz on food and stuff -- Hey, "put the mozz on"! A great Aussie saying, adopted from Hebrew. Now there's two inclusions.

Anyway let me know. In the meantime would you like to list the Australian culture that you feel is being threatened or at least not adopted by non-assimilating migrants? Remember we know about 'their culture' -- just list the Aussie culture.

Cheers.

Ah, one of the 'Australia has no discernible culture' brigade.

Only immigrants have cultures worth preserving, yeah? How sad and stupid.

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Reply #99 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:58pm

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Ah, one of the 'Australia has no discernible culture' brigade.

Only immigrants have cultures worth preserving, yeah? How sad and stupid.

The Anglo culture is far more one of subtlety, nuances, manners, ethics, morality, and secular lack of ostentatiousness than is found with most 'ethnic' traditions.

The culture of the Anglo peoples is found in its political system, its laws, its social mores, it's sense of fairness and decency, it's humanitarian ethic.

The global migrant traffic flow from all over the world is towards the Anglosphere precisely because its culture has created a desirable destiny for ethnics fleeing one sort of cultural failure or another in their own home countries.

Lack of jobs, poverty, religious oppression, political oppression - these are 'push-factor' cultural failures that drive so many ethnics to find solace in the Anglosphere.

They won't find bangles and beads, colourful gowns, turbans and top-knots, hijabs and 'ethnic dancing' among the Anglo peoples - but something far more valuable and important to having a life that is free, secure, and of a high living standard without the endemic crime and corruption that is so much a part of their own ethnic homelands.

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Reply #100 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:30pm

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 3:28pm:

So, Soren, you'd recommend then that these Australians should never have come here, then and that their diverse cultural practices shouldn't be tolerated?

They wear these costumes on their picnic days. The other 364 days you wouldn't know whether they are Irish or Polish or Welsh.

Except when they're reminding you of it, Soren. Roll Eyes

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With pajama, hijab, sari and turban crowd, they will never let you forget that they do not belong here.

Who says they don't belong here, Soren? You? You're opinion is worthless because it is biased and coloured by your obvious hatred of anybody non-WASP. Roll Eyes

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Reply #101 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 10:32pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:58pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Ah, one of the 'Australia has no discernible culture' brigade.

Only immigrants have cultures worth preserving, yeah? How sad and stupid.

The Anglo culture is far more one of subtlety, nuances, manners, ethics, morality, and secular lack of ostentatiousness than is found with most 'ethnic' traditions.

The culture of the Anglo peoples is found in its political system, its laws, its social mores, it's sense of fairness and decency, it's humanitarian ethic.

The global migrant traffic flow from all over the world is towards the Anglosphere precisely because its culture has created a desirable destiny for ethnics fleeing one sort of cultural failure or another in their own home countries.

Lack of jobs, poverty, religious oppression, political oppression - these are 'push-factor' cultural failures that drive so many ethnics to find solace in the Anglosphere.

They won't find bangles and beads, colourful gowns, turbans and top-knots, hijabs and 'ethnic dancing' among the Anglo peoples - but something far more valuable and important to having a life that is free, secure, and of a high living standard without the endemic crime and corruption that is so much a part of their own ethnic homelands.

And boy! aren't the Anglos and Europeans resented for providing space, tolerance and freedom to thirdy worldy efniks to overcome their parochial, thirdy worldy little obsessions with tribe, clan, mindless custom and tradition? Yes, they are resented. They are resented for letting in the aliens AND expecting. very politely, that they would assimilate.
Yes, assimilate as they have no actual improvements to contribute. There has been NO Lebanese, Vietnamese, Chinese, Paki, Nigerian, Somali,Iranian improvement to Australia or any other western country. None.

None.

Thirdy worldy mindset on first world social benefits. Well, f Vck off, bozos. It doesn't work like that.

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Reply #102 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 10:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:36pm:

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With pajama, hijab, sari and turban crowd, they will never let you forget that they do not belong here.

Who says they don't belong here, Soren? You?

You're

opinion is worthless because it is biased and coloured by your obvious hatred of anybody non-WASP. Roll Eyes

And your opinion (your, Brain, NOT you're) is significant??

I don't care for hijabs, pajamas as daywear or turbans in Australia. They have no place here. I don't want to know where you have come from and I certainly do not want to know that you prefer the habits of your old country (a godawful F vcking hellhole) compared to this place.

I'd prefer if you made an effort to fit in. If that's too hard, I reserve the right to tell you to f Vck orf. YOU HAVE LEFT YOUR HELLHOLE - DON'T TRY TO RECREATE IT HERE.

I do not have to tolerate your desire not to fit in.

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Reply #103 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 10:54pm

Australia was a half asleep culture when he antiwe arrived, with technology decades behind that of Europe and America. The food was dreadful and uninspiring. This was the late 50s.

The anti–Islamists here want to return todays culture to that of the stodgy 1950s then freeze it forever. Won’t work, can’t work.

Not to say there are not practices like female genital mutilation that need to be stamped upon.

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Reply #104 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 12:38am

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm:

Ah, one of the 'Australia has no discernible culture' brigade.

Only immigrants have cultures worth preserving, yeah? How sad and stupid.

Everybody who comes to Australia has a culture worth preserving, Soren.

Always remember the "Australian culture" you're so protective of it itself a product of a synthesis of immigrant cultures - English, Scots, Irish, Welsh, German, Italian, yes, even Danish and others, reaching back to the First Fleet, with even infusions from the culture of the Indigenes, which mean it could arguably be claimed to have inherited over 50,000 years of culture. Every new arrival infuses our Multiculture with new vigour, Soren, even the Muslims.

Unlike you, I don't look down my nose at anybody else's culture. I welcome, accept and help them celebrate it within the context of our great Australian multiculture. Always remember, Soren, Australia is a nation of immigrants and one which is the product of hybridisation. And also remember, it is through our hybridisation, that we remain strong and vigorous as a nation. "Pure breds" tend always to end up inbred, inward looking and of course, weak and sickly compared to hybrids.

I'm sorry that your hatred, your intolerance and your desire to persecute your fellow Australians has made you bitter and twisted in your attitudes. Instead of hating, reach out to your fellow Australians and welcome them. If they turn their back on you, then it's their loss. It isn't grounds to hate and persecute them, it's grounds to pity them. Which is why I pity you. You turn your back on your fellow Australians simply because they worship god differently to you. Roll Eyes

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