Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:59am:



Very good, Brownshirt Brain.

You can talk because your views are correct, others, whose views are deemed incorrect, must shut up so as not to disturb your groupthink echo chamber. That's all you have as an argument, BB.

The hijab and the niqab and the jihadi beard are not just some fashion choice - a choice between DG or Rivers; classic cut or hipster look. Sharia wear is not a passing fashion.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:40pm:


This forum has 10x more search engines than brains forum has members posting.

If Brian's spineless apologetics was more common then surely he would have more people posting in his forum.

There is no intelligent life in Brian's forum that's why he comes here.

Quantum wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:16pm:


Tough luck, Quantum.  You like the great patriot Soren are in the minority as far as the rest of the Australian population are concerned.  No one wants to hear your whinging and whining, your continual portray of your fellow Australians as being somehow unwilling to live peacefully with each other.

Time after time, evidence is presented that the majority of Australians - Muslim and non-Muslim just want to be left in peace to get on with their own lives without being continually persecuted by dills like you and Soren.

100 years ago, it was the Catholics, then it was the "New Australians" after WWII, the southern Europeans, the Indochinese and now the Muslims.   They've fitted in, in the end.   We've weeded out the ones who didn't but we didn't need Pogroms (Sprint's solution), we didn't need deportations (Herbie's solution) or any other form of "Final Solution" (Yadda's).   

You and Soren and Herbie and Baronvert and Yadda and Moses and Adam/Anti/Matty are the misfits.   Why don't you go off and build yourself a new homeland somewhere?   Create your own country.   What's the betting you're at each other's throats within five minutes 'cause one of you cracks his boiled egg at the "wrong" end?   

Quantum wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:16pm:


How about that, old boy? You’re now an Australian patriot

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:14pm:


Oh, build our own country...

So if someone builds a house and all is going well. If one day someone comes in and takes a shlt on the floor, the solution isn't to remover the shlter from the house but to go build yet another house...

Nup, not convinced you are the majority Bwian. The only place I see people like you are on Internet forums like this. Even then there is always Agnostics, Christians, Atheist, Deist, on the one side, and Islamic apologist and Muslims on the other. Look this this thread; Bwian's Muslims vs everyone else. You would think if you represented the majority voice of Australia you would have more support out side of the cyber Mosque...

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:04pm:



Nearly half of Australians are anti-Muslim: study
Updated 23 Feb 2011,

A decade-long national study has found that nearly 50 per cent of Australians identify themselves as having anti-Muslim attitudes.

Researchers from universities across the country polled thousands of people about their attitudes to different cultures and whether they had experienced racism.

The research found around one in 10 Australians identified themselves as prejudiced against other cultures.

About one-quarter of those surveyed said they had anti-Semitic or anti-Asian attitudes, while a slightly larger number were prejudiced against Aborigines.

Anti-Muslim sentiment was even higher, at 48.6 per cent.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-23/nearly-half-of-australians-are-anti-muslim...


That was 4 years ago. 48.6 % is very significant.


Elsewhere:

74% of the French believe “Islam is incompatible with French society.

German attitudes towards Islam and Muslims don’t fare much better, 66% of Western Germans and 74% of Eastern Germans have “negative attitudes towards Muslims.”

Fewer than one in four people now believe that following Islam is compatible with a British way of life, Britain’s most senior Muslim minister will warn today.


Islam and Muslims have a problem with integrating into non-Muslim societies.  This should not come as a surprise. This should not be treated with incredulity, or worse, shrieks of 'Islamophobia and bigotry'.  Islam is self-consciously different from Western liberal denocracy. That sharia-compliant Islam and Western liberal democracy are two completely ferent kinds of special organisation and ideal IS a plain fact.

And preferring Western liberal democracy IN EVERY ASPECT of comparison with Islam is not Islamophobia or bigotry, Brain.  Is there ANY aspect of sharia that you prefer to Western norms and laws?  Let us know.

Soren wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:


Yes, 48.6% is a significant value, Soren.  However, like all such surveys when one digs deeper, one finds out much more interesting results than the superficial ones reported in the media, who tend to all too often dumb them down to the level where people such as yourself can understand a headline.

I've already discussed public opinion poll attitudes towards Muslims in this post, Soren, which I know you've read as you replied to it.  It paints a more detailed picture of Australian attitudes, Soren.

Looking at The Challenging Racism Project survey one discovers the usual contradictory views one finds when studying racism in Australia:







See anything contradictory in those results, Soren?

Australians may be concerned but not to the point where they refuse to mix in the workplace and they know that racism is wrong and something should be done about preventing it.

So, if we combine the results from my other post, with these, Soren we end up with a very different picture than the one you (or the ABC for that matter) are seeking to convey about Australian society.

Racism exists within Australia, without a doubt.  We all perceive it.  We believe something should be done about it but we don't let it affect our attitudes to the point where we won't mix with peoples of other "races" or cultures or religions.   Further, we still basically remain happy for the most part to accept Muslims into our society, Soren, no matter what you attempt to claim.  Further, the fact that only a third of Australians want a cut in Muslim immigration numbers suggests that while concerned, the overwhelming majority do not outright reject Muslims as you do.

Ipso facto - you are still very much in the minority with your attitudes, Soren.

Now run along.   

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Who cares about elsewhere, Soren?  We are discussing Australian attitudes, not French ones.