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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #135 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 6:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 4:15pm:
Looking at The Challenging Racism Project survey one discovers the usual contradictory views one finds when studying racism in Australia


Poor set of results from a silly set of questions. Today, after a great 30 years of being a very proud Australian I am still called a Pom. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No Racism intended.

I also note the very limited number of people included in the survey, but offer no comment as it may cause offence. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Any more of this tripe bigot brian?
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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #136 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm
 
The obvious flaw in this survey is that it doesn't say which people were questioned.

This fact alone makes it statistically invalid as a reflection of Anglo-Australian attitudes and beliefs.

Nice try Brian, but no banana this time.

For obvious reasons canvassers like to go to places like universities where there's a ready crowd at any time to be asked to respond to a questionnaire ... and who do we see on campuses but a very large percentage of ethnics.

Better luck next time.


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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #137 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:11pm
 
Adamant wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 6:23pm:
Today, after a great 30 years of being a very proud Australian I am still called a Pom.


Me too.

After a great 54 years of being a proud Pom I'm still called a bastard.  Cool



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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #138 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:12pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
The obvious flaw in this survey is that it doesn't say which people were questioned.

This fact alone makes it statistically invalid as a reflection of Anglo-Australian attitudes and beliefs.

Nice try Brian, but no banana this time.

For obvious reasons canvassers like to go to places like universities where there's a ready crowd at any time to be asked to respond to a questionnaire ... and who do we see on campuses but a very large percentage of ethnics.

Better luck next time.


It isn't intended to reflect "Anglo-Australian attitudes," Herbie.  It's intended to analyse Australian attitudes.  No one ethnic or "racial" or cultural group is over-represented.  In fact they went to great lengths to try and get a mix which was reflective of Australian society.   As much as you hate it, Herbie, it isn't completely "Anglo-Australian" any more.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #139 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
The obvious flaw in this survey is that it doesn't say which people were questioned.

This fact alone makes it statistically invalid as a reflection of Anglo-Australian attitudes and beliefs.

Nice try Brian, but no banana this time.

For obvious reasons canvassers like to go to places like universities where there's a ready crowd at any time to be asked to respond to a questionnaire ... and who do we see on campuses but a very large percentage of ethnics.

Better luck next time.


It isn't intended to reflect "Anglo-Australian attitudes," Herbie.  It's intended to analyse Australian attitudes.  No one ethnic or "racial" or cultural group is represented.  In fact they went to great lengths to try and get a mix which was reflective of Australian society.   As much as you hate it, Herbie, it isn't completely "Anglo-Australian" any more.   Roll Eyes


More deflection from a muslim bigot eh brian you bigoted racist.
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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #140 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:52pm
 
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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #141 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
The obvious flaw in this survey is that it doesn't say which people were questioned.

This fact alone makes it statistically invalid as a reflection of Anglo-Australian attitudes and beliefs.

Nice try Brian, but no banana this time.

For obvious reasons canvassers like to go to places like universities where there's a ready crowd at any time to be asked to respond to a questionnaire ... and who do we see on campuses but a very large percentage of ethnics.

Better luck next time.


It isn't intended to reflect "Anglo-Australian attitudes," Herbie.  It's intended to analyse Australian attitudes.  No one ethnic or "racial" or cultural group is over-represented.  In fact they went to great lengths to try and get a mix which was reflective of Australian society.   As much as you hate it, Herbie, it isn't completely "Anglo-Australian" any more.   Roll Eyes
Why do you reckon Brian that not one protester has hit the Lakemba pavement to protest against ISIS yet they protest about everything else going on in the middle east??
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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #142 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 9:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 4:15pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 2:40pm:
That was 4 years ago. 48.6 % is very significant.


Yes, 48.6% is a significant value, Soren.  However, like all such surveys when one digs deeper, one finds out much more interesting results than the superficial ones reported in the media, who tend to all too often dumb them down to the level where people such as yourself can understand a headline.

I've already discussed public opinion poll attitudes towards Muslims in this post, Soren, which I know you've read as you replied to it.  It paints a more detailed picture of Australian attitudes, Soren.

Looking at The Challenging Racism Project survey one discovers the usual contradictory views one finds when studying racism in Australia:

http://imageshack.com/a/img911/1935/iBI3Mk.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/1537/CFPi92.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/5858/4nG1RM.jpg

See anything contradictory in those results, Soren?

Australians may be concerned but not to the point where they refuse to mix in the workplace and they know that racism is wrong and something should be done about preventing it.

So, if we combine the results from my other post, with these, Soren we end up with a very different picture than the one you (or the ABC for that matter) are seeking to convey about Australian society.

Racism exists within Australia, without a doubt.  We all perceive it.  We believe something should be done about it but we don't let it affect our attitudes to the point where we won't mix with peoples of other "races" or cultures or religions.   Further, we still basically remain happy for the most part to accept Muslims into our society, Soren, no matter what you attempt to claim.  Further, the fact that only a third of Australians want a cut in Muslim immigration numbers suggests that while concerned, the overwhelming majority do not outright reject Muslims as you do.

Ipso facto - you are still very much in the minority with your attitudes, Soren.

Now run along.   Roll Eyes

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Who cares about elsewhere, Soren?  We are discussing Australian attitudes, not French ones.


The ABC report I posted is about the same survey.

Nearly half of Australians are anti-Muslim: study
Updated 23 Feb 2011, 12:28pmWed 23 Feb 2011, 12:28pm

EXTERNAL LINK: University of Western Sydney: Challenging Racism

A decade-long national study has found that nearly 50 per cent of Australians identify themselves as having anti-Muslim attitudes.

Researchers from universities across the country polled thousands of people about their attitudes to different cultures and whether they had experienced racism.

The research found around one in 10 Australians identified themselves as prejudiced against other cultures.

About one-quarter of those surveyed said they had anti-Semitic or anti-Asian attitudes, while a slightly larger number were prejudiced against Aborigines.

Anti-Muslim sentiment was even higher, at 48.6 per cent.

Lead researcher Professor Kevin Dunn from the University of Western Sydney says recent political rhetoric has not helped.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-23/nearly-half-of-australians-are-anti-muslim...
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Reply #143 - Jan 4th, 2015 at 9:58pm
 
Yet, Soren, the press release doesn't actually say that.   I provided a link to it.  Care to quote from it where it actually states that?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #144 - Jan 5th, 2015 at 5:25am
 
48.6% pre-Martin Place siege.

I think we can safely assume it's gone over the line to at least 51% by now - a majority.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
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Reply #145 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 5:32pm
 
Rocketanski wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
The obvious flaw in this survey is that it doesn't say which people were questioned.

This fact alone makes it statistically invalid as a reflection of Anglo-Australian attitudes and beliefs.

Nice try Brian, but no banana this time.

For obvious reasons canvassers like to go to places like universities where there's a ready crowd at any time to be asked to respond to a questionnaire ... and who do we see on campuses but a very large percentage of ethnics.

Better luck next time.


It isn't intended to reflect "Anglo-Australian attitudes," Herbie.  It's intended to analyse Australian attitudes.  No one ethnic or "racial" or cultural group is over-represented.  In fact they went to great lengths to try and get a mix which was reflective of Australian society.   As much as you hate it, Herbie, it isn't completely "Anglo-Australian" any more.   Roll Eyes
Why do you reckon Brian that not one protester has hit the Lakemba pavement to protest against ISIS yet they protest about everything else going on in the middle east??


How would you know?  The MSM doesn't report anti-ISIS stories about Muslims.  It only reports anti-Muslim stories. 

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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #146 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 6:05pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 5:32pm:
Rocketanski wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
The obvious flaw in this survey is that it doesn't say which people were questioned.

This fact alone makes it statistically invalid as a reflection of Anglo-Australian attitudes and beliefs.

Nice try Brian, but no banana this time.

For obvious reasons canvassers like to go to places like universities where there's a ready crowd at any time to be asked to respond to a questionnaire ... and who do we see on campuses but a very large percentage of ethnics.

Better luck next time.


It isn't intended to reflect "Anglo-Australian attitudes," Herbie.  It's intended to analyse Australian attitudes.  No one ethnic or "racial" or cultural group is over-represented.  In fact they went to great lengths to try and get a mix which was reflective of Australian society.   As much as you hate it, Herbie, it isn't completely "Anglo-Australian" any more.   Roll Eyes
Why do you reckon Brian that not one protester has hit the Lakemba pavement to protest against ISIS yet they protest about everything else going on in the middle east??


How would you know?  The MSM doesn't report anti-ISIS stories about Muslims.  It only reports anti-Muslim stories. 

http://36.media.tumblr.com/7eca079ba1bda17dd2d0532225390c74/tumblr_nbepzpT4pR1to...

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Muslims dont know how to use cameras? They require a professional camera crew to document their protests? Show us a picture of Muslims protesting ISIS at Lakemba.
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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #147 - Jan 6th, 2015 at 6:23pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 9:58pm:
Yet, Soren, the press release doesn't actually say that.   I provided a link to it.  Care to quote from it where it actually states that?   Roll Eyes

Don't tell me the ABC is deliberately lying?

You should ring Media Watch.


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Reply #148 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:05pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jan 6th, 2015 at 5:32pm:
Rocketanski wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:12pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2015 at 7:04pm:
The obvious flaw in this survey is that it doesn't say which people were questioned.

This fact alone makes it statistically invalid as a reflection of Anglo-Australian attitudes and beliefs.

Nice try Brian, but no banana this time.

For obvious reasons canvassers like to go to places like universities where there's a ready crowd at any time to be asked to respond to a questionnaire ... and who do we see on campuses but a very large percentage of ethnics.

Better luck next time.


It isn't intended to reflect "Anglo-Australian attitudes," Herbie.  It's intended to analyse Australian attitudes.  No one ethnic or "racial" or cultural group is over-represented.  In fact they went to great lengths to try and get a mix which was reflective of Australian society.   As much as you hate it, Herbie, it isn't completely "Anglo-Australian" any more.   Roll Eyes
Why do you reckon Brian that not one protester has hit the Lakemba pavement to protest against ISIS yet they protest about everything else going on in the middle east??


How would you know?  The MSM doesn't report anti-ISIS stories about Muslims.  It only reports anti-Muslim stories. 

http://36.media.tumblr.com/7eca079ba1bda17dd2d0532225390c74/tumblr_nbepzpT4pR1to...

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THe Muslims in that picture don't seem to know that they are not Fvckoffistan any more.  They are all kitted out like they are still in Mosul or some such hell hole.



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Reply #149 - Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:08pm
 
Obviously getting desperate there, Soren.  Now you're just being plain insulting towards peoples' fashion choices.    Roll Eyes
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