Don't lie Ian - the first link from the oz is 404 - but the other two work fine and are more than enough to refute your silly claim.

You said it was a fact that most Australians definitely oppose muslim immigration and only a fool would argue otherwise. A bold claim with no evidence wouldn't you say?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 11:43am:
What? Hang on, didnt you just accuse me of lying because they all worked?  So you didnt check the links before you accused me of lying. In fact only one works for me. My comment about Muslim immigration stands, but here you are arguing otherwise without any substance. If I was you i wouldnt accuse others of lying Gandalf.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 11:43am:


Well normally no I wouldn't because it's a racist rant.  But since you asked Herb I did go back and assess the article:

Pickering says that "half of all Australians surveyed had anti-Muslim sentiments".

And I found the ABC report of that survey:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-23/nearly-half-of-australians-are-anti-muslim...

So let's take a look:

10% were prejudiced against 'other' cultures.
25% said they were anti-Semitic or anti-Asian
"While a slightly larger number were prejudiced against Aboriginies".

Then we have the line, "Anti-Muslim sentiment was even higher, at 48.6 per cent."

Followed by the line: "Lead researcher Professor Kevin Dunn from the University of Western Sydney says recent political rhetoric has not helped.

"If you continue to speak about a group as a problem, whether that be asylum seekers or Muslims, that will [be] cast within the public mind," he said.

So from the stats we can deduct -- depending on how the survey questions were presented -- that Australia houses a large contingent of racist views, that are perpetuated by governments and the media.

So let's take Pickering's view.

It doesn't take him long to turn a survey about Australian's attitudes into a fabricated article about "terrorism related crimes" -- we presume in Australia.
I personally don't know of any, and he didn't list any.
Remember Monis was a fake Muslim disowned and actually reported by the Islamic community to the Australian Government as a disinformation agent.
And even the media are saying it was a 'lone nut' crime -- not a terror related crime.

He mentions ISIS mercenaries but omits the greater numbers of Australians fighting for the Israeli Defence Force in their butchering of Gaza civilians.

Islam is no greater threat to Australia than Catholicism -- and as I was a good Catholic boy living in the largest Muslim hub in Australia, I think I am mildly qualified to offer that opinion.

ian wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:


No I accused you of lying - and am still accusing you of lying - for saying "still getting 404 on those links (plural). You do accept that only one link is not working, and that this claim was therefore a lie don't you?

But more importantly, your claim - your completely baseless claim - that the vast majority of Australians are against muslim immigration, that that is a fact, and that only a fool would say otherwise - is idiotic, is baseless, and is full of sh*t - would you agree?

Almost on a par with your "halal only refers to food" gem.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 5:57pm:


Ok Herb if we're going to get into semantics, Islam refers to a religion, not a race, just like Judaism etc.  So is it the religion or the various races of peoples that practice the religion that you or Pickering want to discriminate against?

ColdFact wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:


'Semantics'?

The incorrect definition of a term is just as valid as the correct definition ... unless you're some finicky anal-retentive who wants to make an issue of it?

Are you for real?

Sorry, but your time is up.

Julius Abbott wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 6:25pm:



Indeed.

That's exactly why trolls like Aunt Herbie love him so much.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:



" ... it’s safe to assume that the vast majority of Australians now want something substantive done about the Islamic threat."

No.  It's never safe to assume.