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Reply #45 - Dec 29^th, 2014 at 11:53pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 9:09pm:

Not all Muslims are fanatics but it has dawned on people that the bad come with the good. It's too late anyway because muslims are here in large numbers and Islamic terrorism is just something we'll have to deal with.

that's a defeatist attitude.

demolish a mosque for every attack on us.
Going from the largest one first.

deport every family member of the terrorist.

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Reply #46 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 5:27am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

ColdFact wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

Ok Herb if we're going to get into semantics,

'Semantics'?

The incorrect definition of a term is just as valid as the correct definition ... unless you're some finicky anal-retentive who wants to make an issue of it?

Are you for real?

Sorry, but your time is up.

OK Herb, I'll keep it simple: You posted a link to an inflammatory and hate-mongering inaccurate, anti-Islamic article by a fraud and a conman.

You disliked my abhorrence of Pickering for publishing such, and asked me to address the context of the article, which I did.

Then you targeted one single word of my preamble before the analysis -- 'racist' -- and went on a song and dance insinuating that I was misusing the word and that I was some sort of apologist for what you say is Australia's flawed immigration policy -- probably because you can no longer score 100 in your mum's backyard because the wogs next door won't return your cricket ball when you're on 99.

Then you noted that the aforementioned immigration policy is turning Australia into a "modern towers of Babel", which curiously is Hebrew -- nothing to do with Islam.

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Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni
Reply #47 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 7:46am

ian wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

all you are doing Gandalf is attempting to get me to respond your childishness so you can ban me. Thanks for playing Wink

Actually I'm just trying to get a coherent explanation for your claim that a vast majority of Australians oppose muslim immigration - and why you stated it as "fact" with absolutely no evidence - and the only evidence you claim vindicates your claim talks about a minority.

Perhaps in future you should reconsider attaching idiotic statements like "only a fool would argue otherwise" to completely baseless claims - before talking about childishness.

Thanks for playing Tongue

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #48 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 8:04am

ColdFact - I really do advise you to change your Usename here.

All we're hearing from you here is HotFiction.

"A journalist is supposed to be just that -- not a muck-raking bigot, liar and racist trying to unnecessarily stir up hatred".

I asked you to give me the cold facts in his article that leads you to this conclusion. It would seem to me that all the bile and hatred is coming from your own corner, not his.

"Well normally no I wouldn't because it's a racist rant".

And then, after I've corrected your entirely incorrect and prejudicial use of the term 'racist' in describing Pickering's article - you then concede the point and withdraw it.

"Ok Herb if we're going to get into semantics, Islam refers to a religion, not a race".

By this time your credibility as a critic has crashed-and-burned - never to fly again.

"You posted a link to an inflammatory and hate-mongering inaccurate, anti-Islamic article by a fraud and a conman"

'Inflammatory and hate-mongering' is baby-talk for advising that matters of social importance to the general public should not be aired, discussed, and treated as a legitimate concern. It should simply be stigmatised as something 'decent' people don't talk about.

Very immature, very PC, and smacks of intellectual and moral cowardice.

'Anti-Islamic article' ... you seem to infer that this in itself is something that should be regarded as intrinsically abhorrent to people of good character.

What I'm hearing from you is mostly the immaturity of the apologist and the escape artist.

Unfortunately my time is very precious and I simply don't have the care to educate and mentor you through the various stages that leads one to a more mature insight and understanding of the issues involved.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

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Reply #49 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 10:31am

Come on, Herbie, the jig’s up. Coldfact has exposed your game.

He neglected to mention that the majority of your sources don’t refer to Australia at all. Herb strategy in a nutshell: put up some phoney or foreign article or rumour, present it as fact, and condemn anyone who questions it as a spineless apologist.

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Reply #50 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 10:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 1:25am:

Only approximately a third want a cut in Muslim immigration.

While only an indirect measure, it can be considered reasonably representative of Australian attitudes towards Muslims in general.

The overall point is that there is significantly disproportionate negative attitude towards Muslims and Islam. This is an ideological, political antipathy, not a racial one - there is nowhere near the same negative attitude towards Buddhists, the majority of whom are also -non-White.
Furthermore, I'd say 50 years ago the proportion would have been the same as it is towards Buddhists today. In other words Islam's stock is worsening for obvious reasons.

SO what is important and should not be ignored is that a third of Australians oppose an ideology. No other ideology comes anywhere near this level of antipathy. A third of the population is a significant proportion. It is far greater than the proportion that supports the Greens, for example, or thought Gillard a good PM.

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Reply #51 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 10:36am

Karnal wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

Come on, Herbie, the jig’s up. Coldfact has exposed your game.

He neglected to mention that the majority of your sources don’t refer to Australia at all. Herb strategy in a nutshell: put up some phoney or foreign article or rumour, present it as fact, and condemn anyone who questions it as a spineless apologist.

That's the Troll King, in a nutshell.

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Reply #52 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 10:50am

Soren wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 10:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 1:25am:

Only approximately a third want a cut in Muslim immigration.

While only an indirect measure, it can be considered reasonably representative of Australian attitudes towards Muslims in general.

The overall point is that there is significantly disproportionate negative attitude towards Muslims and Islam. This is an ideological, political antipathy, not a racial one - there is nowhere near the same negative attitude towards Buddhists, the majority of whom are also -non-White.
Furthermore, I'd say 50 years ago the proportion would have been the same as it is towards Buddhists today. In other words Islam's stock is worsening for obvious reasons.

SO what is important and should not be ignored is that a third of Australians oppose an ideology. No other ideology comes anywhere near this level of antipathy. A third of the population is a significant proportion. It is far greater than the proportion that supports the Greens, for example, or thought Gillard a good PM.

Oh, old boy, back in the 1990s a percentage of Australians opposed the chinks coming in. You might remember a certain poetess called Pauline Hanson. You might even recall the remarks of a certain PM called John Howard, who wanted to go softly on Asian immigration.

Once, we opposed your kind coming in, but we came around in the end. We always do.

Your kindness and generousity, you see, has softened us to you people.

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Reply #55 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 11:57am

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 11:15am:

Herbert has left the building.

What building was that Herb? Was that the Towers of Babel as in Genesis 11:1–9?

Footnote: Is it possible to have this gem entered into the Ozpolitics Knowledge Base?

"The politicians made a mistake in flooding western nations with foreigners, and every since then the social engineers have been busy at work ramping up the vilification laws while demonising anyone who dares raise an objection to having his ancestral homeland shot-through with foreigners and turned into modern Towers of Babel."

Author, Lord Herbert.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni Reply #56 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 12:37pm Don’t ask Herbie anymore inconvenient questions, Coldfact. He’ll have you up for stalking.
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Reply #57 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 4:21pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 29^th, 2014 at 1:49am:

You think Muslims are okay if they don’t get about in pyjamas and headscarves. Your key criteria for Muselness is dress sense.

Easy.

Funnily enough, that goes quite some way. It' not all of it but with the garden variety Muslims, it covers a lot, to coin a phrase.
But if they do not feel themselves compelled to go about in pajamas, with silly beards and their women in equally out-of-place hijabs and worse, then they quite probably don't take whole wheeze that seriously, if at all.

If you take an ideology seriously, you self-identify through displaying its external signs. If you don't, you don't.
Shibboleths, innit.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Some interesting history here: Shia v Sunni Reply #58 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 4:28pm How do you find Orthadox Jews, old boy? Are you a fan of the black attire and all those straps? Wigs for the ladies to cover their hair? I imagine they take Leviticus rather seriously, no? They even have a Jewsih court in Melbourne. Shurely shome shibboleth?
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Reply #59 - Dec 30^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 7:46am:

... Soren's link stated that 48.6% of Australians held "Anti-Muslim sentiment". Your claim was that "The vast majority of Australians for what ever reason do not want Islamic immigration to this country". Would you like me to explain to you the difference between 48.6% and a "vast majority"? ...

Perhaps you'd best ask Mr.Ross. He's the best at explaining why statistics never match public feeling.

He'll also be able to explain the groundswell of anti-Islamic feeling erupting in Europe as merely the collection of racist cants by popular political wannabes. With statistics!

And is also able to explain why racial and religious profiles are not considered important enough to collect when our law-makers are considering new legislation and penalties. This is the result of recent legislation, BTW. It also stymies any attempt to discover who is on the dole, and who is claiming other benefits, on an average profile - which we can't do any more.

Does one have to be a "prophet" to see that the ongoing feudalism between certain families in Sydney is somehow connected to religious beliefs? And the connections to organised crime?

Best we just whistle while looking at the walls, eh?

We'll take all the 'moderate' Muslims the world has to offer. All Islam has to do is offer real 'moderate' Muslims.

Nuffin' to do with Islam, eh?

Shirley, you jest!

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