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Reply #75 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 6:05pm

Soren wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 4:07pm:

One common charge I have laid at the doors of Xenophobes and racists is that they want uniformity, rather than be willing to tolerate diversity and pluralism. They want everybody looking the same, acting the same, dressing the same, walking in lock step to their drum beat because above all else they are offended by the very concept of individuality. Individuality? That's fine, as long as everybody is the same! Roll Eyes

Soren is another in that camp. As long as everybody looks Northern European, is a god-fearing Lutheran and votes Tory, he's happy. Indeed, more than just happy, he's ecstatic! He cannot tolerate Johnny-Foreigner. Roll Eyes

Making every country 'diverse' is the surest way to homogenise the whole world. But numpties like Brain would never realise that because they are spouting a mindless ideology.

Brain, you stand for the complete McDonaldisation of the world where every country is exactly as 'diverse' as every other thereby each losing its own unique characteristics. You are more reactionary and imperialist that you would ever imagine.

*SIGH*, your Toxophilia is getting worse, Soren. You really should get it seen to. Roll Eyes

You've now just admitted you fear diversity, you are unwilling to tolerate individuality. You'd prefer our nation to be whiter than white. Pity about the Indigenes though. They have a far better claim to want the nation to be black. Grin

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Reply #76 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 7:30pm

Soren wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Making every country 'diverse' is the surest way to homogenise the whole world. But numpties like Brain would never realise that because they are spouting a mindless ideology.

Brain, you stand for the complete McDonaldisation of the world where every country is exactly as 'diverse' as every other thereby each losing its own unique characteristics. You are more reactionary and imperialist that you would ever imagine.

Well said.

Britain's Labor party under Tony Blair actually conspired to erase the English from England under a tsunami of indiscriminate immigrants of all colours, all races, and all creeds.

He willingly and with aforethought sought to deliver cultural genocide upon the English people as a means of helping to create a One World Order in which One Size Fits All.

It has ever since then fascinated me that Tony Blair is walking around as a free man with apparently no fear of being assassinated.

The British have been feminised and gelded to such an extent since WWII ended that not a single person in a population of many million is game to take him to a local abandoned quarry and blow his brains out as he so richly deserves.

And the rest of them.

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Reply #77 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 7:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 7:30pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Making every country 'diverse' is the surest way to homogenise the whole world. But numpties like Brain would never realise that because they are spouting a mindless ideology.

Brain, you stand for the complete McDonaldisation of the world where every country is exactly as 'diverse' as every other thereby each losing its own unique characteristics. You are more reactionary and imperialist that you would ever imagine.

Well said.

Britain's Labor party under Tony Blair actually conspired to erase the English from England under a tsunami of indiscriminate immigrants of all colours, all races, and all creeds.

He willingly and with aforethought sought to deliver cultural genocide upon the English people as a means of helping to create a One World Order in which One Size Fits All.

It has ever since then fascinated me that Tony Blair is walking around as a free man with apparently no fear of being assassinated.

The British have been feminised and gelded to such an extent since WWII ended that not a single person in a population of many million is game to take him to a local abandoned quarry and blow his brains out as he so richly deserves.

And the rest of them.

Perhaps you need to go back, Herbie and lead them out of this wilderness?

You do realise, you really can't criticise the UK, afterall you did jump ship yourself. Knowing what you've said about feeling that you "didn't belong" in the UK because you were born in China, I've often wondered, Herbie why you believe you know or would even care what happens there, except perhaps you may have some over-romanticised idyll which you believe still exists. I suppose you watch Midsummer Murders and Downton Abbey with a tear in your eye for the Britain that was? Roll Eyes

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Reply #78 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 4:07pm:

One common charge I have laid at the doors of Xenophobes and racists is that they want uniformity, rather than be willing to tolerate diversity and pluralism. They want everybody looking the same, acting the same, dressing the same, walking in lock step to their drum beat because above all else they are offended by the very concept of individuality. Individuality? That's fine, as long as everybody is the same! Roll Eyes

Soren is another in that camp. As long as everybody looks Northern European, is a god-fearing Lutheran and votes Tory, he's happy. Indeed, more than just happy, he's ecstatic! He cannot tolerate Johnny-Foreigner. Roll Eyes

Making every country 'diverse' is the surest way to homogenise the whole world. But numpties like Brain would never realise that because they are spouting a mindless ideology.

Brain, you stand for the complete McDonaldisation of the world where every country is exactly as 'diverse' as every other thereby each losing its own unique characteristics. You are more reactionary and imperialist that you would ever imagine.

*SIGH*, your Toxophilia is getting worse, Soren. You really should get it seen to. Roll Eyes

You've now just admitted you fear diversity, you are unwilling to tolerate individuality. You'd prefer our nation to be whiter than white. Pity about the Indigenes though. They have a far better claim to want the nation to be black. Grin

Read what I said, my little homogeniser.

You are the worst kind of genocidal maniac. You want the exact same amount of dog poo culture in every country so as to erase the odium of dog poo cultures.

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Reply #80 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:13pm

Soren wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:01pm:

Read what I said, my little homogeniser.

You are the worst kind of genocidal maniac. You want the exact same amount of dog poo culture in every country so as to erase the odium of dog poo cultures.

I wonder what your analyst makes of all these references to faecal matter, Soren?

Your working on those thatching skills though. Soon you'll be able to stop doing it just for therapy and soon take it up as an alternative profession. Grin

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Reply #81 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 5:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 7:35pm:

Perhaps you need to go back, Herbie and lead them out of this wilderness?

You do realise, you really can't criticise the UK, afterall you did jump ship yourself. Knowing what you've said about feeling that you "didn't belong" in the UK because you were born in China, I've often wondered, Herbie why you believe you know or would even care what happens there, except perhaps you may have some over-romanticised idyll which you believe still exists. I suppose you watch Midsummer Murders and Downton Abbey with a tear in your eye for the Britain that was? Roll Eyes

It's interesting that governments give ethnologists and anthropologists bucket-loads of annual grants to go into the jungles to save primitive tribes from extinction in every part of the globe ... the very same governments that are on an unspoken mission to wipe out the distinctive ancestral peoples of their own western societies through the strategy of mass immigration and draconian vilification laws.

During the 23 years I've lived on this street and in this neighbourhood the only immigrants to settle here have been scores of coloured Third Worlders ... not a solitary Pom, or German, or Swede, or Dane, or Caucasian of any sort.

This policy of demographic social-engineering is straight out of the Social-Marxist Handbook ~ and the paper-trail leads all the way back to the Planning Department at UN headquarters.

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Reply #82 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:18am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 5:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 7:35pm:

Perhaps you need to go back, Herbie and lead them out of this wilderness?

You do realise, you really can't criticise the UK, afterall you did jump ship yourself. Knowing what you've said about feeling that you "didn't belong" in the UK because you were born in China, I've often wondered, Herbie why you believe you know or would even care what happens there, except perhaps you may have some over-romanticised idyll which you believe still exists. I suppose you watch Midsummer Murders and Downton Abbey with a tear in your eye for the Britain that was? Roll Eyes

It's interesting that governments give ethnologists and anthropologists bucket-loads of annual grants to go into the jungles to save primitive tribes from extinction in every part of the globe ... the very same governments that are on an unspoken mission to wipe out the distinctive ancestral peoples of their own western societies through the strategy of mass immigration and draconian vilification laws.

During the 23 years I've lived on this street and in this neighbourhood the only immigrants to settle here have been scores of coloured Third Worlders ... not a solitary Pom, or German, or Swede, or Dane, or Caucasian of any sort.

This policy of demographic social-engineering is straight out of the Social-Marxist Handbook ~ and the paper-trail leads all the way back to the Planning Department at UN headquarters.

Sorry Herb, I'm not stalking or trolling you, but the draconian vilification law that annoys me is 18C of the racial discrimination law. which the Jewish community has used successfully to jail what they refer to as anti-semitics. -- and, of course, you're not allowed to dispute any of the Holocaust facts or figures -- even the ones that have been 'adjusted'.

But nothing seems to protect the Muslim community from the constant onslaught of media and public abuse.
So I really want to know if these laws are working for anyone except the Jewish community.

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Reply #83 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:10am

ColdFact wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:18am:

Sorry Herb, I'm not stalking or trolling you, but the draconian vilification law that annoys me is 18C of the racial discrimination law. which the Jewish community has used successfully to jail what they refer to as anti-semitics.

I'm in favour of scrapping this law.

Unfortunately Abbott's balls dropped off and bounced down the parliamentary steps in front of the TV cameras when the journalists (many of them female) asked him when he intended to scrap the C18 subsection.

He funked-out. Did a backflip. It wasn't the Jews he was worried about, but the Muslims.

ColdFact wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:18am:

-- and, of course, you're not allowed to dispute any of the Holocaust facts or figures -- even the ones that have been 'adjusted'.

Trust me - the holocaust happened. My neighbour in the UK was a survivor of Auschwitz, and an old Polish workmate of mine spent 3 years in Buchenwald.

You want to split hairs over numerical statistics? ~ okay, but then bore someone else with it.

ColdFact wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:18am:

But nothing seems to protect the Muslim community from the constant onslaught of media and public abuse.

You've lost me.

What media and public abuse?

When Sydney's Muslims stop committing crime and attracting attention to themselves for all the wrong reasons ~ the media will then have no news stories to report from that quarter.

It's really very simple.

When Muslims stop making the news, the media will stop reporting it.

Cause ... and effect.

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Reply #84 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:22am

That’s funny. There’s not enough Muslim news in Australia, so Herbie goes to Mother to get his daily tidbits.

At least Pickering’s fiction is local.- so are Herbie’s rumours about Muslim library book theft, Health Department letters to "Muslim" doctors, and all the other senseless talkback shrieking. Herbie imports all the rest from the old country.

They never assimilate, you know.

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Reply #85 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:36am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:10am:

ColdFact wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:18am:

Sorry Herb, I'm not stalking or trolling you, but the draconian vilification law that annoys me is 18C of the racial discrimination law. which the Jewish community has used successfully to jail what they refer to as anti-semitics.

I'm in favour of scrapping this law.

Unfortunately Abbott's balls dropped off and bounced down the parliamentary steps in front of the TV cameras when the journalists (many of them female) asked him when he intended to scrap the C18 subsection.

He funked-out. Did a backflip. It wasn't the Jews he was worried about, but the Muslims.

ColdFact wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:18am:

-- and, of course, you're not allowed to dispute any of the Holocaust facts or figures -- even the ones that have been 'adjusted'.

Trust me - the holocaust happened. My neighbour in the UK was a survivor of Auschwitz, and an old Polish workmate of mine spent 3 years in Buchenwald.

You want to split hairs over numerical statistics? ~ okay, but then bore someone else with it.

ColdFact wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:18am:

But nothing seems to protect the Muslim community from the constant onslaught of media and public abuse.

You've lost me.

What media and public abuse?

When Sydney's Muslims stop committing crime and attracting attention to themselves for all the wrong reasons ~ the media will then have no news stories to report from that quarter.

It's really very simple.

When Muslims stop making the news, the media will stop reporting it.

Cause ... and effect.

Funny I didn't say anything, I just said it was a breach of the act to dispute same.

Edit: Forgot to add. Did you think holocaust revisionism should be illegal under 18C?

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Reply #86 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 12:26pm

ColdFact wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:36am:

Edit: Forgot to add. Did you think holocaust revisionism should be illegal under 18C?

Definitely not. I believe in freedom of the press and personal opinion.

If there are outright lies or honest errors ~ then these should be retracted, but no bannings.

In the Peoples Soviet Republic of Britain there are now all sorts of legal penalties against the slightest hint of racism or disenchantment with immigrants.

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I've noticed that long-time nighttime TalkBack radio host Brian Wilshire who has been famously 'rightwing' as part of his On Air persona, has dropped the ball and gone the way of Tony Abbott in terror of Muslim backlash.

His commentary in the aftermath of the Sydney siege was pathetically apologist on behalf of Islam and Muslims ... diving for cover every time someone phoned up to tell him that this event was inspired by Islamic cultural and religious belief.

Vale Brian Wilshire.

Time to retire.

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Reply #87 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 2:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 6:05pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 4:07pm:

One common charge I have laid at the doors of Xenophobes and racists is that they want uniformity, rather than be willing to tolerate diversity and pluralism. They want everybody looking the same, acting the same, dressing the same, walking in lock step to their drum beat because above all else they are offended by the very concept of individuality. Individuality? That's fine, as long as everybody is the same! Roll Eyes

Soren is another in that camp. As long as everybody looks Northern European, is a god-fearing Lutheran and votes Tory, he's happy. Indeed, more than just happy, he's ecstatic! He cannot tolerate Johnny-Foreigner. Roll Eyes

Making every country 'diverse' is the surest way to homogenise the whole world. But numpties like Brain would never realise that because they are spouting a mindless ideology.

Brain, you stand for the complete McDonaldisation of the world where every country is exactly as 'diverse' as every other thereby each losing its own unique characteristics. You are more reactionary and imperialist that you would ever imagine.

*SIGH*, your Toxophilia is getting worse, Soren. You really should get it seen to. Roll Eyes

You've now just admitted you fear diversity, you are unwilling to tolerate individuality. You'd prefer our nation to be whiter than white. Pity about the Indigenes though. They have a far better claim to want the nation to be black. Grin

I don't want every country to be 'diverse' because then the whole world is homogenised into being one giant Star Wars bar scene. I want different countries to be, you know, different.

Even the third worlders in their ghettos of Lakemba, Cabramatta or Chatswood are not interested in diversity, funnily enough. They want to preserve their own ways. And that's praised because only the tinted people have cultures. Australians, the English or Europeans (whitey) wanting to preserve their own ways is branded racist.

Needless to say, the cultures of the tinted countries are fiercely anti-diversity, they actively discriminate against minorities and foreigners and discourage immigration.

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Reply #88 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 3:00pm

Really, old boy, how are you going to preserve your own ways? You can’t even get Mormor’s pickling recipe right.

Thanks for confirming the agenda, but alas, no one preserves their own ways. Good luck, Lakemba. The day they get all the Lebs out of the brothels, bottle shops and pokie lounges is the day I’ll say, Allah Uakbar.

Can I say that?

You wouldn’t want our ways preserved, old boy. I remember Sydney in the 1970s,, and it would not have been your cup of pickled stool, believe me. We were most unsympathetic to you people back then. Even the architect of the Opera House was howled out of the country by the planners and the tabloids.

We love you now, of course, but we’ve since converted to multiculturalism.

Pickled stool and all.

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Reply #89 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 4:07pm:

I rather suspect that your ideal of a moderate Muslim is a thoroughly Westernised one, indeed so Westernised that hey are Muslim in name only.

Indeed. When they come to the West - nobody is forcing them - they should be thoroughly Westernised. They can stay in Araby, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia and be as Muslims as they like.

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One common charge I have laid at the doors of Xenophobes and racists is that they want uniformity, rather than be willing to tolerate diversity and pluralism. They want everybody looking the same, acting the same, dressing the same, walking in lock step to their drum beat because above all else they are offended by the very concept of individuality. Individuality? That's fine, as long as everybody is the same! Roll Eyes

Soren is another in that camp. As long as everybody looks Northern European, is a god-fearing Lutheran and votes Tory, he's happy. Indeed, more than just happy, he's ecstatic! He cannot tolerate Johnny-Foreigner. Roll Eyes

Western culture allows more room for individuality than any other culture, bar none. It is a stupid and baseless little gimmick to label the opponents of multiculturalism xenophobic or against diverse views. I am very happy for Africans to live by African norms in Africa, or Indians by Indian norms in India.
But why come ALL THIS WAY, to a culturally obviously different country and then cleave to the old African, Indian, Muslim, Chinese values? Especially as they are invariable inferior to Western cultural norms. Leave your inferior habits behind, fit in, learn the language, make the most of your new you.
Or stay home if you can't. The stuck-in-the-old-ways migrants are the ones who are unable to express their individuality: they are in a new country but they are unable to shed their old ways.

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