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Reply #90 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:32am

Pantheon wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

And while the elderly are forced to keep working/looking for work, the youth unemployment rate skyrockets off the scale.

Sheer stupidity and bloody-minded ideology, nothing more.

What you dont understand, is that 40 was once considered being "elderly",

Image if everyone retires at the age of 40.. not only would you only spent a pathetic 20 years in the work force but you would of barely of saved up enough to last the next 50 years.. and trust me, 50 of being retired.. you'll get bored real fast.

As our life expectancy grows its only nature we work longer, though out history we have pushed retirement age back and back again as we live longer and longer.. this is a logical move, that even Labor would be forced to support.

No, I understand perfectly. Some think they should have the right to force others to
work till they drop.

The oldies are being forced to work longer, and as a result the young are locked-out
of the labour market altogether.

It is NOT 'natural that we work longer'. In fact, it's not natural that we 'work' at all.

Structured work is an artificial societal construct, not a natural one.

The ONLY justification for keeping anyone working past the age of 60 in this country
today is GREED.

Let them retire when THEY wish, and employ more young people. If you did that you
may even HAVE enough to pay people their pensions. Actually, there is plenty already
for pensions (AND the dole), but you cons want it all for yourselves. Hence the LIE
that pensions are 'unsustainable'. They're not.

IF, and only we had full employment and we were crying-out for workers, AND IF the
number of workers needed was rising instead of falling, I'd maybe consider the idea.

But we do not, and we probably never will again.

And it's far better to have the oldies on pensions, having 'done their bit' than an army
of young, fit, ANGRY unemployed youth who've been denied even a chance.

Raising the pension age and restricting access to it, is plain bloody stupid, and totally
counter-productive. As is punishing those who cannot get jobs. But it's got nothing to
do with reality or need, it's just that filthy, sick neo-con ideology yet again.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #91 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:53am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:34am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:03pm:

though out history we have pushed retirement age back and back again as we live longer and longer.. this is a logical move, that even Labor would be forced to support.

The retirement pension age of 65 was put in place in 1910 and had never changed till now.

Incorrect. The Rudd Govt raised it to 67 from 2023 in 2009

Funny how the question of affordability was an issue for Labor back in 2009 but not now?

http://ministers.treasury.gov.au/DisplayDocs.aspx?doc=pressreleases/2009/056.htm...
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As part of the Government’s Secure and Sustainable Pension Reform, in 2017 the qualifying age for the Age Pension will gradually increase from 65 to 67 by 2023.

As Australians are healthier and living longer, the qualifying age for Age Pension for men and women will be increased by six months every two years, commencing from 1 July 2017 and reaching 67 on 1 July 2023.

The reforms are necessary to prepare Australia for the challenges of the future.

These changes will not affect current age pensioners.

Only new entrants to the pension system from 1 July 2017 will be affected.

The qualifying age for the Veterans’ Service Pension will remain at 60.

Increasing the age pension age is a responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population and the economic impact it will have for all Australians.

The pension age was set at 65 in 1909. One hundred years later Australia has changed.

When the Age Pension was introduced one hundred years ago, a man retiring at age 65 would have expected to spend an average of 11 years in retirement.

By 2017 it is projected that the average number of years in retirement for a 65 year old man will have increased to 19.5 years. A woman of the same age could expect to spend 23.5 years in retirement by 2017.

Australia must move towards a higher pension age over the next decade.

Did you have a whinge back then Crook? Wink

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #92 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 8:04am I am not happy about the pension age going to 67. Leave it at 65.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #93 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 8:14am Quote: I am not happy about the pension age going to 67. Leave it at 65. ....and to blazes with the reasoning behind it?
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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #94 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 8:16am What Reasoning?. Also please don't show us that stupid drawing again.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #95 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:14am Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 8:14am: Quote: I am not happy about the pension age going to 67. Leave it at 65. ....and to blazes with the reasoning behind it? There is no valid reasoning behind it.
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #96 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:15am

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What Reasoning?. Also please don't show us that stupid drawing again. Sad

Now Crook, are you knocking my informative pics? I thought they would be easier for you to understand. A picture is worth a thousand words don't they say?

But you can always read Mr Wayne Swan's press release from 2009 for the reasoning Mr Crook.

Here it is linked again for you

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #97 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:17am

Kat wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:14am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 8:14am:

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I am not happy about the pension age going to 67. Leave it at 65. Sad

....and to blazes with the reasoning behind it?

There is no valid reasoning behind it.

That is exactly why you Socialists should NEVER ever be allowed anywhere near the Treasury..... Cheesy

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Reply #98 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:23am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 6:29am:

We could be creating a few generations of elderly Australians who have to go on unemployment benefits for a decade or so before getting a pension ?

Many are discarded by the employer in their 50's to save money on pay outs with long service etc and find themselves too old to find another job.

LSL is a statutory entitlement they are not allowed to simply ignore. and secondly, it is

2035

when this happens, not tomorrow.

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Reply #99 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:25am

Bam wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 6:29am:

We could be creating a few generations of elderly Australians who have to go on unemployment benefits for a decade or so before getting a pension ?

Many are discarded by the employer in their 50's to save money on pay outs with long service etc and find themselves too old to find another job.

Which is why we need full employment and a jobs guarantee.

you cannot legislate either. you cannot MAKE jobs happen. the irony is that the alt time we had full employment was under WorkCHoices.

perhaps that wasn't entirely an accident?

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Reply #100 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 10:05am

Kat wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:37pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:48pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 1:39pm:

.. by sucking back their pittance as fast as they get it....

Increase the GST 5% and increase all benefits by 5% - simple

http://www.theskyisnotyourlimit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/meerkat-219x300.j...

You just gave the states 5% more and put Australia further into debt.

The States are Australia, otherwise we wouldn't need the unrepresentative Senate would we..

What unrepresentative Senate, Swag?

I find this one represents me just fine, and is doing exactly what I (and others) elected it to do.

The problem does not lie with the Senate, but with the Rightist ideology, which the Senate is, quite correctly, curbing.

but I bet you didn't say that bout the 2004 senate where Howard had a majority. you have such hypocrisy.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106958 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #101 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:26am Dear Longy, I hope you have to work till you drop - that's what Tony - your leader - wants. work till you drop
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #102 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:25am:

Bam wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 6:29am:

We could be creating a few generations of elderly Australians who have to go on unemployment benefits for a decade or so before getting a pension ?

Many are discarded by the employer in their 50's to save money on pay outs with long service etc and find themselves too old to find another job.

Which is why we need full employment and a jobs guarantee.

you cannot legislate either. you cannot MAKE jobs happen. the irony is that the alt time we had full employment was under WorkCHoices.

perhaps that wasn't entirely an accident?

Yes they can. They can easily get rid of the negative gearing tax racket on property and encourage the light shoe brigade to start investing in productive assets and businesses that create real jobs instead of dollying up and flipping old dumps that were built way back in the 40's. This house hoarding mentality in this country is great for banks but is fast turning Australia into another Greece. And yet Tony Abort and his mates are totally silent on this front Sad

There are lots of things they can do to create an environment for creating REAL jobs but they don't want to !!

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #103 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am: This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece So is the welfare state mentality
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #104 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:47am

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

You only get $240 a week on the dole &
you've got to apply for 40 non-existent jobs a month &
meet 1001 other conditions.

That is no gravy train.

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