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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #105 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:49am

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

And yet phony Tony won't mention one thing about all of the corporate welfare handed out to the house hoarders over the last 3 decades !!

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #106 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:53am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:49am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

And yet phony Tony won't mention one thing about all of the corporate welfare handed out to the house hoarders over the last 3 decades !!

hear hear sir Nail,

it's all about the rich people now.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #107 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:54am Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:47am: That is no gravy train Yeah it serves schooies of New and games of pool, not 'gravy'
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #108 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:54am

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I am not happy about the pension age going to 67. Leave it at 65. Sad

Nope, raise it in accordance with life span. No country can afford to pay pensions for 30-40 years. Age pension was only ever intended to support people in the last 10 or so years of their lives.

Raise the MANDATORY retirement age too, stop forcing people to retire while they might still want to work (and are capable of working)

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #109 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:56am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:53am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:49am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

And yet phony Tony won't mention one thing about all of the corporate welfare handed out to the house hoarders over the last 3 decades !!

hear hear sir Nail,

it's all about the rich people now.

We are now witnessing what happens when you don't properly invest for the future and put all of your eggs into the one mining basket. Now I'd like to see how all of this housing investment sh.t will carry the economy into the future Cheesy

LOL

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #110 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:59am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:54am:

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I am not happy about the pension age going to 67. Leave it at 65. Sad

Nope, raise it in accordance with life span. No country can afford to pay pensions for 30-40 years. Age pension was only ever intended to support people in the last 10 or so years of their lives.

Raise the MANDATORY retirement age too, stop forcing people to retire while they might still want to work (and are capable of working)

That age should apply to pollies as well. None of this retire early to spend more time with the family and then get a stint at Macquarie bank whilst receiving a generous salary from the tax payer Sad

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #111 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

You only get $240 a week on the dole &
you've got to apply for 40 non-existent jobs a month &
meet 1001 other conditions.

That is no gravy train.

Work till you drop

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #112 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:08pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:59am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:54am:

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I am not happy about the pension age going to 67. Leave it at 65. Sad

Nope, raise it in accordance with life span. No country can afford to pay pensions for 30-40 years. Age pension was only ever intended to support people in the last 10 or so years of their lives.

Raise the MANDATORY retirement age too, stop forcing people to retire while they might still want to work (and are capable of working)

That age should apply to pollies as well. None of this retire early to spend more time with the family and then get a stint at Macquarie bank whilst receiving a generous salary from the tax payer Sad

That's a different thing though nails. There is a HUGE difference between retiring early on your super, or on your savings, and being FORCED to retire before you want to.

After all, Howard was 68 when he quit Parliament, but he still hasn't retired, and he's 76 this year.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #113 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

You only get $240 a week on the dole &
you've got to apply for 40 non-existent jobs a month &
meet 1001 other conditions.

That is no gravy train.

Work till you drop

And if THAT is what you want to do, why shouldn't you be allowed to. My father did it.
He had to retire at 65 from his job, so he got bored and went out and got a part time job and died (at age 73) while still doing it.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #114 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:15pm

Compulsory super has to be beefed up, especially for low income workers. This can be easily funded by ripping into the outrageous rorts the super rich use.

Then we need the real NBN rollout resumed. Immigration and 457 visas can do with a huge overhaul too, NewStart boosted significantly and bulldust work for the dole crap scrapped.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #115 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:25pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Compulsory super has to be beefed up, especially for low income workers. This can be easily funded by ripping into the outrageous rorts the super rich use.

Then we need the real NBN rollout resumed. Immigration and 457 visas can do with a huge overhaul too, NewStart boosted significantly and bulldust work for the dole crap scrapped.

Well yes to the 457 visas, Newstart and the work for the dole thing, although WoD should be voluntary since it might work as a way to find work in some cases.

Increasing the compulsory super contributions is all that is really needed, after all, co-contributions exist for a reason.
The NBN isn't needed, just a scheme to replace the existing phone lines with fibre-optic ones would work just as well.

And Immigration still needs the current background checks that the Pacific Solution mk2 uses.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #116 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:50pm Quote: The NBN isn't needed, just a scheme to replace the existing phone lines with fibre-optic ones would work just as well. That IS the NBN!
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #117 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

You only get $240 a week on the dole &
you've got to apply for 40 non-existent jobs a month &
meet 1001 other conditions.

That is no gravy train.

Work till you drop

And if THAT is what you want to do, why shouldn't you be allowed to. My father did it.
He had to retire at 65 from his job, so he got bored and went out and got a part time job and died (at age 73) while still doing it.

And if THAT is what you want to do, why shouldn't you be allowed to.

That is the current position in theory, the difference with this legislation is that it becomes mandatory for the majority of people.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #118 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:57pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:50pm:

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The NBN isn't needed, just a scheme to replace the existing phone lines with fibre-optic ones would work just as well.

That IS the NBN!

Umm no it actually isn't...the NBN is an entirely separate 'cable' internet system. IF the NBN was the same, it would incorporate landline telephones, which it actually doesn't.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #119 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

You only get $240 a week on the dole &
you've got to apply for 40 non-existent jobs a month &
meet 1001 other conditions.

That is no gravy train.

Work till you drop

And if THAT is what you want to do, why shouldn't you be allowed to. My father did it.
He had to retire at 65 from his job, so he got bored and went out and got a part time job and died (at age 73) while still doing it.

And if THAT is what you want to do, why shouldn't you be allowed to.

That is the current position in theory, the difference with this legislation is that it becomes mandatory for the majority of people.

All the legislation has really done is raise the age at which you can get the aged pension. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with retirement age.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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