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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #120 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:00pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:11pm:

And if THAT is what you want to do, why shouldn't you be allowed to. My father did it.

so why change the rules? if people wanted to work longer, they already could. Making it compulsory is ridiculous, especially since the decision is usually made by people who have never done a days manual labour in their life.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #121 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:05pm Quote: Here is something else to think about. How about leaving the aged pension at 65. Oh no, cant do that. I don't see what's so special about a fixed retirement age, no matter what it is.
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Reply #122 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:59pm:

All the legislation has really done is raise the age at which you can get the aged pension. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with retirement age.

A very substantial number of people in the affected age groups will not be able to afford retirement before 67 or beyond. For many no pension means no retirement.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59347 Here Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #123 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:11pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:59pm: All the legislation has really done is raise the age at which you can get the aged pension. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with retirement age. Traditionally the aged pension is available at retirement age.
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #124 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:11pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:59pm:

All the legislation has really done is raise the age at which you can get the aged pension. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with retirement age.

Traditionally the aged pension is available at retirement age.

No, the aged pension is available 5 or so years AFTER 'mandatory' retirement age. That's the whole point. There really isn't any thing that stops a person from retiring at 40 (25 years before age pension) or even at 30 (35 years before)..it depends on the individuals own finances...

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Reply #125 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:32pm

Paul Midson has worked for about 20 years as a builder's labourer. The 48-year-old has ''crook'' knees and shoulders. He has had operations on his knees. He works at least 60 hours a week, often longer. Sad

''I reckon I will be lucky to last [in work] to 60,'' he says. Midson is fortunate. He has been employed by the same construction firm for the past 15 years in an industry where much of the work is casual and short-term. He has some superannuation but far from enough to fund a comfortable retirement.

He is relying on the age pension and is opposed to the pension age rising further. Wink

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #126 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:35pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:57pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:50pm:

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The NBN isn't needed, just a scheme to replace the existing phone lines with fibre-optic ones would work just as well.

That IS the NBN!

Umm no it actually isn't...the NBN is an entirely separate 'cable' internet system. IF the NBN was the same, it would incorporate landline telephones, which it actually doesn't.

Yes, it actually would have served landline phones as well and no, it's not a separate network. There would be no copper, all fibre and you could have landline only if that's all you wanted.
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/phone_servic...

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #127 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:39pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:11pm:

And if THAT is what you want to do, why shouldn't you be allowed to. My father did it.

so why change the rules? if people wanted to work longer, they already could. Making it compulsory is ridiculous, especially since the decision is usually made by people who have never done a days manual labour in their life.

Yes I agree, however, this thread is NOT about mandatory retirement, it's about the age pension...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #128 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:42pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:57pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:50pm:

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The NBN isn't needed, just a scheme to replace the existing phone lines with fibre-optic ones would work just as well.

That IS the NBN!

Umm no it actually isn't...the NBN is an entirely separate 'cable' internet system. IF the NBN was the same, it would incorporate landline telephones, which it actually doesn't.

Yes, it actually would have served landline phones as well and no, it's not a separate network. There would be no copper, all fibre and you could have landline only if that's all you wanted.
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/phone_servic...

Sorry, but if it works for the current landline phones, why does the NBN require a special and separate node to be mounted on your house???

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #129 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:46pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:35pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:57pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:50pm:

Quote:

The NBN isn't needed, just a scheme to replace the existing phone lines with fibre-optic ones would work just as well.

That IS the NBN!

Umm no it actually isn't...the NBN is an entirely separate 'cable' internet system. IF the NBN was the same, it would incorporate landline telephones, which it actually doesn't.

Yes, it actually would have served landline phones as well and no, it's not a separate network. There would be no copper, all fibre and you could have landline only if that's all you wanted.
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/phone_servic...

Sorry, but if it works for the current landline phones, why does the NBN require a special and separate node to be mounted on your house???

Somewhere to terminate the fibre link and bring the wire inside. So what if you need a new phone handset and I bet there would be adapters of some sort if you really wanted to keep your old one.

edit: Check this out Gizmo http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/information-for-home/fixed-line...

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #130 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:48pm The OF needs to be terminated—more electronics than current phones have. Plus internet and phone can both be plugged into the NBN. It is the cost of running the OF through the Telstra ducts that takes the time and costs the money.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #131 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:48pm I see someone has started a thread that looks like an invitation to slag off baby boomers. You can say what you like about baby boomers, or even pre-boomers, but we certainly knew how to organise things for our own benefit, don't you think?
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #132 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:51pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:11pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:59pm:

All the legislation has really done is raise the age at which you can get the aged pension. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with retirement age.

Traditionally the aged pension is available at retirement age.

No, the aged pension is available 5 or so years AFTER 'mandatory' retirement age. That's the whole point. There really isn't any thing that stops a person from retiring at 40 (25 years before age pension) or even at 30 (35 years before)..it depends on the individuals own finances...

There really isn't any thing that stops a person from retiring at 40

No there isn't it is called early retirement which means to retire before retirement age.

Retirement age in Australia has traditionally been 65 years for men, this is also the traditional age to be paid a pension.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #133 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:47am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:36am:

This house hoarding mentality in this country is fast turning Australia into another Greece

So is the welfare state mentality

You only get $240 a week on the dole &
you've got to apply for 40 non-existent jobs a month &
meet 1001 other conditions.

That is no gravy train.

Pointless trying to explain it to him.

He's thicker than a railway sleeper where welfare is concerned.

Thinks it's all a commie plot.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #134 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:42pm

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Paul Midson has worked for about 20 years as a builder's labourer. The 48-year-old has ''crook'' knees and shoulders. He has had operations on his knees. He works at least 60 hours a week, often longer. Sad

''I reckon I will be lucky to last [in work] to 60,'' he says. Midson is fortunate. He has been employed by the same construction firm for the past 15 years in an industry where much of the work is casual and short-term. He has some superannuation but far from enough to fund a comfortable retirement.

He is relying on the age pension and is opposed to the pension age rising further. Wink

If Paul Midson has 'crook' knees and shoulders that prevent him from working then wouldn't he qualify for the Disability Support Pension (DSP). Huh

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