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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #165 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 3:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:26am:

Dear Longy,
I hope you have to work till you drop -

that's what Tony - your leader - wants.

work till you drop

average life expectancy is 83. current pension age is 65 soon to be 67. I don't see a problem here. neither do other people who routinely work to and past 70 because they are fit, healthy and capable of contributing. Perhaps the problem is that none of you people have jobs worthwhile doing.

neither do other people who routinely work to and past 70 because they are fit, healthy and capable of contributing.

No problem with that and the current position caters for them, the problem is for those who can not work till they are 70, many struggle to get to 65 or are forced out of employment - made redundant in their late 50's or beyond.

Believe it or not there is no employment market for the great majority of people in their 60's + in fact it is close to impossible for many once past the mid 50's.

The Govt. is quick to grab taxes while you're working -

but they don't want to know you if you lose your job -

it would mean having to give you some of your taxes back!

what the hell do you think the DOLE IS???????

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #168 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:50pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:36pm:

and yet it remains fundamentally true that a hard-working motivated well-educated person will not struggle to fund a job because they work hard at finding one.

Mmmm, I am sure you can produce an evidential link as usual to prove that statement!

LOL Grin

With 175k jobs and 800k jobless, I'd say it's fundamentally bullsh1t that anyone won't
struggle to get a job no matter how hard they work at finding one.

While the rightards refuse to see or acknowledge that discrepancy, it means that they
have nothing on which to base any argument that the unemployed are bludging or are
deliberately choosing not to work.

The rightard 'dole bludger' argument only ever carries any weight or has any validity in
times of full employment, and not always even then.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #169 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 3:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 2:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:26am:

Dear Longy,
I hope you have to work till you drop -

that's what Tony - your leader - wants.

work till you drop

average life expectancy is 83. current pension age is 65 soon to be 67. I don't see a problem here. neither do other people who routinely work to and past 70 because they are fit, healthy and capable of contributing. Perhaps the problem is that none of you people have jobs worthwhile doing.

neither do other people who routinely work to and past 70 because they are fit, healthy and capable of contributing.

No problem with that and the current position caters for them, the problem is for those who can not work till they are 70, many struggle to get to 65 or are forced out of employment - made redundant in their late 50's or beyond.

Believe it or not there is no employment market for the great majority of people in their 60's + in fact it is close to impossible for many once past the mid 50's.

The Govt. is quick to grab taxes while you're working -

but they don't want to know you if you lose your job -

it would mean having to give you some of your taxes back!

what the hell do you think the DOLE IS???????

But... haven't they all been on the dole since the day they left school (at 12) and haven't
they never actually paid any tax at all, and are just sitting waiting for the age pension?

At least, that's what the Right would apparently have us all believe... isn't it?

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #170 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 7:16am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:36pm:

and yet it remains fundamentally true that a hard-working motivated well-educated person will not struggle to fund a job because they work hard at finding one.

Rubbish! There's hundreds of university graduates driving cabs or working in fast food outlets, there's also hundreds that can't get work at all.

When there's 800,000 people looking for a job and there's 175,000 jobs available, everyone struggles to find a job.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #172 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:32pm

Kat wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:32am:

No, I understand perfectly. Some think they should have the right to force others to
work till they drop.

No one is forcing you to work till your 70? now id this was a socialist state, then people would be forced to work till they dropped dead like we see in USSR, Cuba, Communist China ect.

Kat wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:32am:

The ONLY justification for keeping anyone working past the age of 60 in this country
today is GREED.

Let them retire when THEY wish, and employ more young people. If you did that you
may even HAVE enough to pay people their pensions. Actually, there is plenty already
for pensions (AND the dole), but you cons want it all for yourselves. Hence the LIE
that pensions are 'unsustainable'. They're not.

the problem is when we didnt change the retirement age, we didnt hire more young people, even if nothing changes and everything stays the same, we are still going to find it very hard to find the money to pay for their pensions.

Kat wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:32am:

IF, and only we had full employment and we were crying-out for workers, AND IF the
number of workers needed was rising instead of falling, I'd maybe consider the idea.

why would you consider? why would you consider forcing already reired people back into the workforce or force others to work longer?

Kat wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:32am:

And it's far better to have the oldies on pensions, having 'done their bit' than an army
of young, fit, ANGRY unemployed youth who've been denied even a chance.

Raising the pension age and restricting access to it, is plain bloody stupid, and totally
counter-productive. As is punishing those who cannot get jobs. But it's got nothing to
do with reality or need, it's just that filthy, sick neo-con ideology yet again.

ANGRY unemployed youth? you can thank that to minimum wage, very few will ever hire a high school drop out for minimum wage, its a huge waste of money and time, they simple dont have the education or the skills for basic jobs, emplyers arent schools they are trying to run a bussines not schools.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #173 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:39pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 7:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:36pm:

and yet it remains fundamentally true that a hard-working motivated well-educated person will not struggle to fund a job because they work hard at finding one.

Rubbish! There's hundreds of university graduates driving cabs or working in fast food outlets, there's also hundreds that can't get work at all.

When there's 800,000 people looking for a job and there's 175,000 jobs available, everyone struggles to find a job.

thats when you go out and create jobs, become and Entrepreneur.

Our schools should be teaching our kids how to be Entrepreneur not model employees,

I have yet to meet one young Australian that doesn't have a really good idea for a business, all they lacks however are the skills and knowledge to know how to make that idea into a business, if we help Australians turn their ideas into business, we would be screaming for more workers and not more employers

In my small town, since 2008, no one is hiring, now i needed a job so what did i do? i didnt go onto the dole and waited around like i loser, i went out of my way and i created a business from $50. I now employee overseas and within a few years i should be able to start employing my local Tasmanians and im so excited for that moment.

i think we are creating to many employees and not enough Entrepreneur

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #174 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:32pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:32am:

No, I understand perfectly. Some think they should have the right to force others to
work till they drop.

No one is forcing you to work till your 70? now id this was a socialist state, then people would be forced to work till they dropped dead like we see in USSR, Cuba, Communist China ect.

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No one is forcing you to work till your 70?

well no it is only till 67 at this stage but Effectively when there is no other option they are making people try to work till this age.

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Reply #175 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 8:59pm

My ex's youngest son - an electrician - just got a new idea going and landed a job as a company director..... in an electrical firm...

Don't generalise - many are hamstrung by lack of opportunity and like pop music - the path is strewn with thousands in comparison to those who make it big....

You are young.. namaste...

I'm 65 - I continue to work with fifteen disabilities so as to try desperately to make up for the social and economic disasters visited on us by successive governments. Perhaps I will find my true vocation as the generalissimo of the revolution...

It is on the tip of my tongue to say 'Fork You' - but I won't..... Grin

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #176 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:01pm

"No one is forcing you to work till your 70? "

No - the DEMAND from the fat cats is that you live on the dole for five years and search out non-existent work while sucking dry your super etc and all your assets.....

Meanwhile they have nothing to worry about.. living on an extremely generous government pension plus all the money they can earn elsewhere.

And you ask why the country is on the front foot of revolution?

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85362 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #177 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW!
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #178 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:10pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

"No one is forcing you to work till your 70? "

No - the DEMAND from the fat cats is that you live on the dole for five years and search out non-existent work while sucking dry your super etc and all your assets.....

Meanwhile they have nothing to worry about.. living on an extremely generous government pension plus all the money they can earn elsewhere.

And you ask why the country is on the front foot of revolution?

Haha please, the country is no where near revolution. When labor pumped it up to 67, no one cared when the liberals bumped it up to 70, still no one cares, only a small group of individual like yourself is making this into something its not,

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Pantheon Gold Member Offline Woke Posts: 1256 Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #179 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm: LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW! Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.
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