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Reply #180 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:36pm
 
Really?  Just goes to show what a trusting and civilised lot we are in reality.

All of that discontent fermenting under there is waiting for the right trigger to break out....

Will ye join me in the New Party......

OUR revolutions here are civilised - we vote out the assetholes we don't want... trouble is the other choice is just as bad.

Once the People have had enough of that, they will revolt for true..... all they need is the opportunity to unite.... thing is - all Australian men think they are strong and independent when they are, in reality, slaves to many things.

You weren't here for it - but Ozzie men made a thing out of heroic self-sacrifice...... not your cup of tea.... and it has to stop before we all go down.
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Reply #181 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm
 
I don't see you out there in the hot sun with a pick and shovel...... or doing anything but boasting to us all about how you 'run' an offshored rip-off palace that exploits both ends....

Lazy?  You'll understand that word when some Pol Pot comes along and puts you capitalists to work on the roads in the hot sun.

The idea was sound - the execution not so good.....
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #182 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm
 
Pantheon wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.


are you a 'work to live' person or a 'live to work' person?
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Reply #183 - Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm
 
DOUBLE PENSIONS NOW.
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Reply #184 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:38pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:36pm:
Really?  Just goes to show what a trusting and civilised lot we are in reality.

All of that discontent fermenting under there is waiting for the right trigger to break out....

Will ye join me in the New Party......

OUR revolutions here are civilised - we vote out the assetholes we don't want... trouble is the other choice is just as bad.

Once the People have had enough of that, they will revolt for true..... all they need is the opportunity to unite.... thing is - all Australian men think they are strong and independent when they are, in reality, slaves to many things.

You weren't here for it - but Ozzie men made a thing out of heroic self-sacrifice...... not your cup of tea.... and it has to stop before we all go down.


Roll Eyes complete rubbish,

Give me a country today or from years ago that we should model our new nation on?
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #185 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:45pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
DOUBLE PENSIONS NOW.


TRIPPLE PENSIONS NOW!!

QUADRUPLE PENSIONS NOW

WHAT ABOUT MY DOLE? DOUBLE THE DOLE!!

NO FAIR, DOUBLE MY WAGE, NO WAIT, TRIPPLE MY WAGE.

Its this mentality that will being our nation to its knees like all other socialist state before it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.


are you a 'work to live' person or a 'live to work' person?


Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family, and to be taxed so the state can maintain a safe evioment that i can work...not a socialist hell where Union force me to join them, then force me to stop working, for corrupt governments to tax 40-50% of my hard earn income then tell me that i have no rights or freedoms to do as i want (as long as no one is hurt).

We are closer to socialist Russia and communist china than the free, democratic West of our past.
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[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.
 
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #186 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 8:37pm
 
Pantheon wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family


true, but once you get to a certain age it's expected that the tribe provide for you in return for all your years of providing for the tribe.... nothing has changed from 50 000yrs ago, only the methodolgy
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #187 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:06pm
 
Pantheon wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
DOUBLE PENSIONS NOW.


TRIPPLE PENSIONS NOW!!

QUADRUPLE PENSIONS NOW

WHAT ABOUT MY DOLE? DOUBLE THE DOLE!!

NO FAIR, DOUBLE MY WAGE, NO WAIT, TRIPPLE MY WAGE.

Its this mentality that will being our nation to its knees like all other socialist state before it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.


are you a 'work to live' person or a 'live to work' person?


Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family, and to be taxed so the state can maintain a safe evioment that i can work...not a socialist hell where Union force me to join them, then force me to stop working, for corrupt governments to tax 40-50% of my hard earn income then tell me that i have no rights or freedoms to do as i want (as long as no one is hurt).

We are closer to socialist Russia and communist china than the free, democratic West of our past.



Rubbish!

We've never been close to communism, and we're further away from it now than we ever were.
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #188 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:46pm
 
What a rip-off -

you work all your life paying for other people to get a pension
& then when you're old & can't work - you don't get one.

The Govt. is quick to grab taxes while you're working -
but they don't want to know you if you lose your job -
it would mean having to give you some of your taxes back!

There was always an expectation that the money you paid for other people to get a pension
was a kind of insurance - that you would be protected as well.

It was a scam - you've all been ripped off.
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Reply #189 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 3:03am
 
Kat wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:06pm:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
DOUBLE PENSIONS NOW.


TRIPPLE PENSIONS NOW!!

QUADRUPLE PENSIONS NOW

WHAT ABOUT MY DOLE? DOUBLE THE DOLE!!

NO FAIR, DOUBLE MY WAGE, NO WAIT, TRIPPLE MY WAGE.

Its this mentality that will being our nation to its knees like all other socialist state before it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.


are you a 'work to live' person or a 'live to work' person?


Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family, and to be taxed so the state can maintain a safe evioment that i can work...not a socialist hell where Union force me to join them, then force me to stop working, for corrupt governments to tax 40-50% of my hard earn income then tell me that i have no rights or freedoms to do as i want (as long as no one is hurt).

We are closer to socialist Russia and communist china than the free, democratic West of our past.



Rubbish!

We've never been close to communism, and we're further away from it now than we ever were.


Complete ignorance, We are a lefty country, we have regulation that supports monopolies and limits free market competition (look at the banking sector for example), huge welfare system (Libs are trying to cut back to its original prosperous), We are forced to pay for others free healthcare and free education, we have one of the highest minimum wage.

Business and the wealthy are under attack for not "paying their fair share" despite 48% of all Australians (poor-middle class) receive more benefits than they pay into taxs, while the wealthy receiving the lest amount of benefits while paying far more back into the system.

There are countless examples of how we as well as the west drift towards the left, towards socialism. 
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #190 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 3:12am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 8:37pm:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family


true, but once you get to a certain age it's expected that the tribe provide for you in return for all your years of providing for the tribe.... nothing has changed from 50 000yrs ago, only the methodolgy


We dont live in a tribe, our society is much more complex and has maturity greatly, if you want a more tribal society go to Africa, seems to be a very successful system compared to the Alternative.  Roll Eyes

Adults should have the responsibility and the maturity to save for their retirement so other citizen are not taxed and drained, parent need to be able to pay for food for their children not pensions for foolish Adults that were too immature to be responsibility and save for their retirement.
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Reply #191 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 6:04am
 
Tony Abbott accused of breaking promise on pension age

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The Abbott government is actively considering raising the pension age to 70 and changing indexation arrangements for the payments in the budget.   Sad

This comes as Labor, seniors groups and unions have accused Prime Minister Tony Abbott of preparing to break a pre-election promise that there would be no cuts or changes to pensions.   Sad

In a speech in Washington DC this week, Treasurer Joe Hockey stressed the need for the federal budget to be sustainable and noted that the number of Australians aged 65 to 84 will double between 2010 and 2050, while the number of people aged over 85 will quadruple.

Mr Hockey also said that access to the pension system needed to be ''prioritised for the most vulnerable'', adding that ''over the next decade, spending on our age pension is projected to increase by around 70 per cent in today's dollars''.


In the speech, he stopped short of nominating a rise in pension age to 70, but it is understood a rise to 70 is a ''live option'', as is a move to change the indexation rate of the pension.   Shocked

A government source stressed a final decision on both or either measure is weeks away.

There are several meetings of the high-powered cabinet expenditure review committee still to come.

Labor introduced changes in 2009 that will see the pension age rise from 65 to 67 between 2017 and 2023.

If the Abbott government decides to further raise the pension age, it would be staggered over half a decade or more.

There are currently 1.427 million Australians on the full age pension and 943,000 on a partial pension.

Labor's families and payments spokeswoman Jenny Macklin seized on Mr Hockey's statements, saying they represented a ''complete breaking'' of the promise Mr Abbott made to age pensioners before the federal election. The ACTU and seniors groups also called on the government to stand by its promise on pensions. National Seniors Australia chief executive Michael O'Neill accused Mr Hockey of ''demonising'' older Australians.

Phil Tuck, a 60-year-old construction worker at Port Fairy in Victoria said he was ''hanging out for retirement''.

''We work outside in the elements in all conditions. Our bodies don't hold up till we are 70,'' he said. ''It's okay if you work in an air-conditioned office … We see back problems, concretor's arms and legs and necks.''

CFMEU national secretary Dave Noonan says many workers in construction, mining and forestry find it difficult if not impossible to get employment after the age of 50.   Sad   

''If this happens, many will retire into poverty because they won't have sufficient superannuation and won't have access to the age pension,'' he said.

Last month, Mr Hockey voiced concern that the age pension was growing at a “massive rate,” noting that in part, this was because it was pegged to average male weekly earnings. This measure of wages grows more quickly than the average growth of payments, such as Newstart, which is pegged to the lower rate of inflation. The government could peg pensions to the rate of inflation to slow down pensions growth.

Mr Hockey's Washington speech was the first of three major speeches he will give before the budget, with the next one tipped to focus on the rising cost of health care in Australia.

Scott McDine, Assistant National Secretary, Australian Workers' Union, said the proposal shows "complete disregard for both blue collar workers and shift workers".   Sad

"To ask someone who engages in manual labour their whole working life to keep it up until 70 is absurd," he said.

"Workers would break before they reached retirement. 

"A proposal like this shows how dangerously out of touch the Abbott government is with real workers."

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Reply #192 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 6:08am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:46pm:
What a rip-off -

you work all your life paying for other people to get a pension
& then when you're old & can't work - you don't get one.

The Govt. is quick to grab taxes while you're working -
but they don't want to know you if you lose your job -
it would mean having to give you some of your taxes back!

There was always an expectation that the money you paid for other people to get a pension
was a kind of insurance - that you would be protected as well.

It was a scam - you've all been ripped off.




I want to be paid back for all my tax money that was used to give other people the pension.

I want a lump sum + interest.
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #193 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 7:24am
 
Pantheon wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 3:03am:
Kat wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:06pm:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:45pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
DOUBLE PENSIONS NOW.


TRIPPLE PENSIONS NOW!!

QUADRUPLE PENSIONS NOW

WHAT ABOUT MY DOLE? DOUBLE THE DOLE!!

NO FAIR, DOUBLE MY WAGE, NO WAIT, TRIPPLE MY WAGE.

Its this mentality that will being our nation to its knees like all other socialist state before it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:40pm:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.


are you a 'work to live' person or a 'live to work' person?


Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family, and to be taxed so the state can maintain a safe evioment that i can work...not a socialist hell where Union force me to join them, then force me to stop working, for corrupt governments to tax 40-50% of my hard earn income then tell me that i have no rights or freedoms to do as i want (as long as no one is hurt).

We are closer to socialist Russia and communist china than the free, democratic West of our past.



Rubbish!

We've never been close to communism, and we're further away from it now than we ever were.


Complete ignorance, We are a lefty country, we have regulation that supports monopolies and limits free market competition (look at the banking sector for example), huge welfare system (Libs are trying to cut back to its original prosperous), We are forced to pay for others free healthcare and free education, we have one of the highest minimum wage.

Business and the wealthy are under attack for not "paying their fair share" despite 48% of all Australians (poor-middle class) receive more benefits than they pay into taxs, while the wealthy receiving the lest amount of benefits while paying far more back into the system.

There are countless examples of how we as well as the west drift towards the left, towards socialism. 



Obviously, you have no idea what communism actually is.

This isn't. We are not even close, and never have been.

Nor is it socialism.

And no, they are not the same thing.
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Reply #194 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 8:56am
 
Pantheon wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:12pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 9:06pm:
LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW!


Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.


And yet it is typically conservatives who can afford early retirement and take the option.
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