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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #195 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:03am

Pantheon wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:03am:

Kat wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

DOUBLE PENSIONS NOW.

TRIPPLE PENSIONS NOW!!

QUADRUPLE PENSIONS NOW

WHAT ABOUT MY DOLE? DOUBLE THE DOLE!!

NO FAIR, DOUBLE MY WAGE, NO WAIT, TRIPPLE MY WAGE.

Its this mentality that will being our nation to its knees like all other socialist state before it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

are you a 'work to live' person or a 'live to work' person?

Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family, and to be taxed so the state can maintain a safe evioment that i can work...not a socialist hell where Union force me to join them, then force me to stop working, for corrupt governments to tax 40-50% of my hard earn income then tell me that i have no rights or freedoms to do as i want (as long as no one is hurt).

We are closer to socialist Russia and communist china than the free, democratic West of our past.

Rubbish!

We've never been close to communism, and we're further away from it now than we ever were.

Complete ignorance, We are a lefty country, we have regulation that supports monopolies and limits free market competition (look at the banking sector for example), huge welfare system (Libs are trying to cut back to its original prosperous), We are forced to pay for others free healthcare and free education, we have one of the highest minimum wage.

Business and the wealthy are under attack for not "paying their fair share" despite 48% of all Australians (poor-middle class) receive more benefits than they pay into taxs, while the wealthy receiving the lest amount of benefits while paying far more back into the system.

There are countless examples of how we as well as the west drift towards the left, towards socialism.

You generally make quite idiotic posts but this one is a stand out.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #196 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:05am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW!

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

And yet it is typically conservatives who can afford early retirement and take the option.

I want to be paid back for all my tax money that was used to give other people the pension.

I want a lump sum + interest.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59347 Here Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #197 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:07am Quote: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Old people tend to be impatient - they should not have to wait too long, they may not have a lot of time left.
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #198 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:12am

ian wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:03am:

Complete ignorance, We are a lefty country, we have regulation that supports monopolies and limits free market competition (look at the banking sector for example), huge welfare system (Libs are trying to cut back to its original prosperous), We are forced to pay for others free healthcare and free education, we have one of the highest minimum wage.

Business and the wealthy are under attack for not "paying their fair share" despite 48% of all Australians (poor-middle class) receive more benefits than they pay into taxs, while the wealthy receiving the lest amount of benefits while paying far more back into the system.

There are countless examples of how we as well as the west drift towards the left, towards socialism.

You generally make quite idiotic posts but this one is a stand out.

I would think that generally it is about 50 -50 with some real good posts but this one is certainly a stand out as you say.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #199 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:13am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW!

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

And yet it is typically conservatives who can afford early retirement and take the option.

I want to be paid back for all my tax money that was used to give other people the pension.

I want a lump sum + interest.

lots of 5 year olds want things. When they grow up they realise how the real world of adults works.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #200 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:20am

ian wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW!

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

And yet it is typically conservatives who can afford early retirement and take the option.

I want to be paid back for all my tax money that was used to give other people the pension.

I want a lump sum + interest.

lots of 5 year olds want things. When they grow up they realise how the real world of adults works.

I think I want my money back:

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #201 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:21am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW!

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

And yet it is typically conservatives who can afford early retirement and take the option.

I want to be paid back for all my tax money that was used to give other people the pension.

I want a lump sum + interest.

I don't begrudge paying my share to be used properly towards much needed pensions and yes it is a shame that we are going to be short changed.

You can blame me for that it has been the story of my life, I seem to just miss out on every possible benefit or advantage. I got no first home buyers bonus - I built between 2 schemes and would have qualified for either at the time but because I signed contracts under one scheme and built under the other I qualified for neither. Missed out on about $8,000 in the 80's on that little lurk. Managed the same with the child bonus, the rules changed in that year and once again I got nothing. Not complaining about that just commenting on how the trend has continued. Why should a pension which I will likely never get anyway be different.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #202 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:26am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW!

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

And yet it is typically conservatives who can afford early retirement and take the option.

I want to be paid back for all my tax money that was used to give other people the pension.

I want a lump sum + interest.

I don't begrudge paying my share to be used properly towards much needed pensions and yes it is a shame that we are going to be short changed.

You can blame me for that it has been the story of my life, I seem to just miss out on every possible benefit or advantage. I got no first home buyers bonus - I built between 2 schemes and would have qualified for either at the time but because I signed contracts under one scheme and built under the other I qualified for neither. Missed out on about $8,000 in the 80's on that little lurk. Managed the same with the child bonus, the rules changed in that year and once again I got nothing. Not complaining about that just commenting on how the trend has continued. Why should a pension which I will likely never get anyway be different.

Fair enough - I'll probably be OK with my savings + a fair bit of super & my own place - so no rent.

I am concerned for many others who don't have the same.

They paid for other peoples pensions but will be living in poverty.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #203 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:54am

Working until 70 a 'horrible thought' for some Sad

Date
May 2, 2014

John Collett

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"I think people should be able to enjoy retirement when they still have years to enjoy it.": Nurse Frances Usherwood is not a fan of the new pension age.

It's official. Those born after 1965 will not be eligible for the age pension until they are 70. The pension age is already set to become 67 by 2023, but Treasurer Joe Hockey has confirmed the government will lift the age pension age to 70 by 2035 in the May 13 budget.

That means those born after 1965 waiting another five years, beyond the age pension age of 65 that applies for most people now. That is not a prospect likely to be welcomed by those in physically-demanding jobs. Sad

Frances Usherwood, a 30-year-old registered nurse, said working for perhaps another 40 years, until she is 70, is a "horrible thought". She loves nursing, but it is physically-hard work. She rarely takes all of her lunch breaks and the night shifts can unsettle the body clock and she cannot see herself being able to work to then. Sad

"I think people should be able to enjoy retirement when they still have years to enjoy it," she said.

But it gets worse than just waiting longer for the age pension.

The government is likely to lift the "preservation" age, the age at which people can access their superannuation savings, in order to maintain a five year gap with the age pension age. That would mean anyone born after 1965 would not have access to their superannuation savings until age 65.

Increasing the preservation age, which is on its way to 60 now, depending on birth date, has its dangers for policymakers.

We are told one of the aims of the budget is have more people saving for their retirement with less reliance on the age pension. But increasing the preservation age could discourage some from saving through super.

Workers may decide not to invest spare cash in their superannuation so that can access their money when they need it.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/working-until-70-a-horrible-thought-for-some-20140502-37m6m.html#ixzz3OSvrKNGz

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106935 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #204 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:29am Quote: Workers may decide not to invest spare cash in their superannuation so that can access their money when they need it. I've already been doing that. I don't want someone else telling me when I can have my money. I might be dead before I can get it out. I want my money back.
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #205 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:30am

Kat wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:24am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:03am:

Kat wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

DOUBLE PENSIONS NOW.

TRIPPLE PENSIONS NOW!!

QUADRUPLE PENSIONS NOW

WHAT ABOUT MY DOLE? DOUBLE THE DOLE!!

NO FAIR, DOUBLE MY WAGE, NO WAIT, TRIPPLE MY WAGE.

Its this mentality that will being our nation to its knees like all other socialist state before it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

are you a 'work to live' person or a 'live to work' person?

Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family, and to be taxed so the state can maintain a safe evioment that i can work...not a socialist hell where Union force me to join them, then force me to stop working, for corrupt governments to tax 40-50% of my hard earn income then tell me that i have no rights or freedoms to do as i want (as long as no one is hurt).

We are closer to socialist Russia and communist china than the free, democratic West of our past.

Rubbish!

We've never been close to communism, and we're further away from it now than we ever were.

Complete ignorance, We are a lefty country, we have regulation that supports monopolies and limits free market competition (look at the banking sector for example), huge welfare system (Libs are trying to cut back to its original prosperous), We are forced to pay for others free healthcare and free education, we have one of the highest minimum wage.

Business and the wealthy are under attack for not "paying their fair share" despite 48% of all Australians (poor-middle class) receive more benefits than they pay into taxs, while the wealthy receiving the lest amount of benefits while paying far more back into the system.

There are countless examples of how we as well as the west drift towards the left, towards socialism.

Obviously, you have no idea what communism actually is.

This isn't. We are not even close, and never have been.

Nor is it socialism.

And no, they are not the same thing.

Yes we still have the right to privately own property and yes we still have a private sector but we are moving towards a socialist based system, we already introduced free healthcare and free education, minimum wage, governmental intervention, a huge and expanding welfare system.

Please explain how we have never been closer to socialism.

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[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #206 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:35am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:56am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

LOWER PENSION AGE - NOW!

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

And yet it is typically conservatives who can afford early retirement and take the option.

typically? what evidence do you have for this? there are plenty left-wing unionist/business leaders that can and do early retirement.

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[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #207 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:37am

ian wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:03am:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 3:03am:

Kat wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:45pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

DOUBLE PENSIONS NOW.

TRIPPLE PENSIONS NOW!!

QUADRUPLE PENSIONS NOW

WHAT ABOUT MY DOLE? DOUBLE THE DOLE!!

NO FAIR, DOUBLE MY WAGE, NO WAIT, TRIPPLE MY WAGE.

Its this mentality that will being our nation to its knees like all other socialist state before it.

John Smith wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:12pm:

Perfect, so we can retire early and work less, what a typical LW lazy attitude.

are you a 'work to live' person or a 'live to work' person?

Work to live. I would love to never have to work, but as citizens we must work to provide for ourselves as well as our family, and to be taxed so the state can maintain a safe evioment that i can work...not a socialist hell where Union force me to join them, then force me to stop working, for corrupt governments to tax 40-50% of my hard earn income then tell me that i have no rights or freedoms to do as i want (as long as no one is hurt).

We are closer to socialist Russia and communist china than the free, democratic West of our past.

Rubbish!

We've never been close to communism, and we're further away from it now than we ever were.

Complete ignorance, We are a lefty country, we have regulation that supports monopolies and limits free market competition (look at the banking sector for example), huge welfare system (Libs are trying to cut back to its original prosperous), We are forced to pay for others free healthcare and free education, we have one of the highest minimum wage.

Business and the wealthy are under attack for not "paying their fair share" despite 48% of all Australians (poor-middle class) receive more benefits than they pay into taxs, while the wealthy receiving the lest amount of benefits while paying far more back into the system.

There are countless examples of how we as well as the west drift towards the left, towards socialism.

You generally make quite idiotic posts but this one is a stand out.

How does it stand out?

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[b][center]Socialism had been tried on every continent on earth. In light of its results, it's time to question the motives of its advocates.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #208 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Workers may decide not to invest spare cash in their
superannuation so that can access their money when they need it.

I've already been doing that.
I don't want someone else telling me when I can have my money.
I might be dead before I can get it out.

I want my money back.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #209 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:34pm Well said Sir Bobby. Yes it is very hard for low income workers, to put money into superannuation. This is why super must be increased to 12% now.
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