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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #30 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 3:00pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 1:39pm:

.. by sucking back their pittance as fast as they get it....

Increase the GST 5% and increase all benefits by 5% - simple

http://www.theskyisnotyourlimit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/meerkat-219x300.j...

Dump the GST and retain benefits at their current rate, and let the market stabilise after dumping this negative tax that has done nothing but give to the governments far too much cash to splash around and waste.

BILLIONS have passed through their hands from GST.. and all we have to show for it is economic AND social disaster and growing poverty, disadvantage, lack of opportunity for many, and a disintegrated society.

Tax revenue of all kinds needs to be quarantined from 'consolidated revenue' and disbursed to the ends for which it was raised....

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85298 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #31 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 3:10pm Oh - another old guy still working at the club said last night:- "Thank God there's a public holiday once a week right now - saves me going to the Smith Family".... part-time.. part-time....
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #32 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:48pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 1:39pm:

.. by sucking back their pittance as fast as they get it....

Increase the GST 5% and increase all benefits by 5% - simple

http://www.theskyisnotyourlimit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/meerkat-219x300.j...

You just gave the states 5% more and put Australia further into debt.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #33 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 9:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:48pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 1:39pm:

.. by sucking back their pittance as fast as they get it....

Increase the GST 5% and increase all benefits by 5% - simple

http://www.theskyisnotyourlimit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/meerkat-219x300.j...

You just gave the states 5% more and put Australia further into debt.

The States are Australia, otherwise we wouldn't need the unrepresentative Senate would we..

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #34 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:02pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:48pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 1:39pm:

.. by sucking back their pittance as fast as they get it....

Increase the GST 5% and increase all benefits by 5% - simple

http://www.theskyisnotyourlimit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/meerkat-219x300.j...

You just gave the states 5% more and put Australia further into debt.

The States are Australia, otherwise we wouldn't need the unrepresentative Senate would we..

All GST goes to the states. The Federal Govt pays benefits. Are you suggesting trickle down federal funding?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #35 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:16pm The State's need to pay off their own bouts of Labor extravagances too...
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16625 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #36 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:23pm Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:16pm: The State's need to pay off their own bouts of Labor extravagances too... You mean how Barnett has been in for 5 years and has ruined the state? I think both sides have some mud. The point remains, what is trickling where.
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #37 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:26pm

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:23pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:16pm:

The State's need to pay off their own bouts of Labor extravagances too...

You mean how Barnett has been in for 5 years and has ruined the state? I think both sides have some mud. The point remains, what is trickling where.

The downtrodden benefit from taxation. Trickle down, income redistribution, call it what you want it's the same thing.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #38 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:28pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:23pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:16pm:

The State's need to pay off their own bouts of Labor extravagances too...

You mean how Barnett has been in for 5 years and has ruined the state? I think both sides have some mud. The point remains, what is trickling where.

The downtrodden benefit from taxation. Trickle down, income redistribution, call it what you want it's the same thing.

The wealthy benefit from a civil society. Trade in kind.

edit: If trickle down, the most preposterous of claims, is redistribution, where should the wealth remain? Redistribution is bad, yes? So anything that trickles down is bad, it doesn't but let's pretend for now. The alternative is everything stays at the top is your answer. Life is a game of monopoly and there can be only one.

Money is blood, it needs to flow, allowing those that need it and will spend it, to have more will produce demand. Where is the demand in "supply and demand" if no-one has money? What happens to supply? Save it for a rainy day?

A healthy middle and lower class help the economy more than a few leeches, they are what create wealth.

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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #39 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:37pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 9:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:48pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 2:55pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 1:39pm:

.. by sucking back their pittance as fast as they get it....

Increase the GST 5% and increase all benefits by 5% - simple

http://www.theskyisnotyourlimit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/meerkat-219x300.j...

You just gave the states 5% more and put Australia further into debt.

The States are Australia, otherwise we wouldn't need the unrepresentative Senate would we..

What unrepresentative Senate, Swag?

I find this one represents me just fine, and is doing exactly what I (and others) elected it to do.

The problem does not lie with the Senate, but with the Rightist ideology, which the Senate is, quite correctly, curbing.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #40 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:39pm Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:16pm: The State's need to pay off their own bouts of Labor extravagances too... Not true. NSW Labor left the books in good order, despite the usual Lib claims to the contrary.
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #41 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:41pm

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:23pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:16pm:

The State's need to pay off their own bouts of Labor extravagances too...

You mean how Barnett has been in for 5 years and has ruined the state? I think both sides have some mud. The point remains, what is trickling where.

The downtrodden benefit from taxation. Trickle down, income redistribution, call it what you want it's the same thing.

Tommy-rot!

The 'trickle-down effect' stops at the middle-class, at best.

Those below get nothing.

That's been proven time and time again.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #42 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:44pm Kat wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:41pm: Tommy-rot!The 'trickle-down effect' stops at the middle-class, at best.Those below get nothing. That's been proven time and time again. Really? If there is no such thing as trickle down why do we have progressive taxation?
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #43 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:46pm

Kat wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:23pm:

Swagman wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:16pm:

The State's need to pay off their own bouts of Labor extravagances too...

You mean how Barnett has been in for 5 years and has ruined the state? I think both sides have some mud. The point remains, what is trickling where.

The downtrodden benefit from taxation. Trickle down, income redistribution, call it what you want it's the same thing.

Tommy-rot!

The 'trickle-down effect' stops at the middle-class, at best.

Those below get nothing.

That's been proven time and time again.

Capitalism, in it's greed, is killing it's host. It seems a very human thing to do, the Earth, or the habitability of Earth, is another example.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension Reply #44 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 11:02pm Setanta wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 10:46pm: Capitalism, in it's greed, is killing it's host. It seems a very human thing to do, the Earth, or the habitability of Earth, is another example Capitalism epitomises nature and evolution. Those that adapt best, survive. Mother Nature is a capitalist.
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